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16th September, 2011 at 15:35:37 -

... Unless they sign a clause in a new set of Terms and Conditions that effectively waives their right to sue Sony if their personal details are again compromised by hackers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14948701

I think this is totally ridiculous. Sony like all companies storing data have a responsibility to protect it.

 
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16th September, 2011 at 18:41:27 -

Its actually nothing new in the USA. In April, the supreme court (SCOTUS) here, with a 5-4 voting on party lines (5 bush/reagan appointees), created a ruling that completely destroys class action lawsuits against any corporation- Sony is not the first. Any corporation can now copy/paste a waiver onto their product, whatever it is, from toilets to cell phones to games, stating that you cannot enter class action suits against them, and that absurdly unethical and illegal waiver is now legal and binding.

As noted, if a company bilked you out of $1,000,000, you could sue their pants off to get your money back. But if they bilk you out of $100, no lawyer, anywhere, is going to represent you for a $33 fee. Hence, now law suits are entirely impossible against corporations for systematic abuse. They can pull the plug on goods and services, steal from customers, and face no legal repercussions. As the example goes, a company gives out 'free cellphones' that are advertised as totally free with no hidden fees, then charges you $33 in 'sales tax' and opens an expensive plan automatically- clearly false advertising and hidden fees. But each lawsuit has to be brought individually, and $11 is not an attractive reward to a lawyer.

 
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16th September, 2011 at 18:46:27 -

Well from Sony's prospective I would do the same thing.
Like any online service you should be willing to accept the risks that go along with sharing data.

 
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16th September, 2011 at 19:15:32 -

True.... everybody knows the internet is anything but secure and it you are willing to submit credit card and other person information then you must accept responsibility and the consequences for your own actions.

That said, Sony is an evil and selfish company run by greedy men who don't care about anyone or anything except themselves and making more cash. Smash the state!

 
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16th September, 2011 at 20:41:43 -


Originally Posted by Chris Burrows<brThat said, Sony is an evil and selfish company run by greedy men who don't care about anyone or anything except themselves and making more cash. Smash the state!



You know these guys personally?

How many sony products do you own?

 
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16th September, 2011 at 21:06:42 -

Don't buy anything from them anymore, then. That's the only way to teach them.

 
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17th September, 2011 at 03:50:13 -


You know these guys personally?

How many sony products do you own?



Yeah I met them at a party once, all dicks. I've got an Ericsson my friend gave me but that's all I think. Oh hahahaa and a PS3.

Point taken, but still...

 
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17th September, 2011 at 04:08:51 -

That reply cracked me up.

 
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29th September, 2011 at 23:00:58 -

Why should developers pay for what hackers damage?

 
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29th September, 2011 at 23:11:36 -

Because when a company offers a service that involves and requires financial details and information from its customers, you don't expect those details to be compromised. You're putting your trust in an established and very well known company, who are obviously aware that their security system is STILL not robust if they force you to sign an agreement waiving your legal rights against them.

 
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29th September, 2011 at 23:12:50 -

So if you make an game, and somehow it caused damage to a comuter. Would you pay for that damage?

 
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30th September, 2011 at 00:01:46 -

You're missing the point and the perspective. You can hardly compare computer damage to stealing information. Stealing is theft. It is a deliberate act. If somehow any of my games damaged a computer, that would be accidental, but when you download software off the internet and from an unknown source you always run that risk. That's why things like virus scanners were invented for. Sony is NOT an unknown source. It is a registered and reputable company. It offers a service where it obtains confidential information from users paying for that service.

Everyone who has a brain cell knows the dangers of the internet. They know that software can contain viruses and any self respecting computer user should not go online without virus protection. Sony, nor any other company for that matter, should not run a service without protection.

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30th September, 2011 at 00:02:01 -

How does that question even relate.

A better question is:
IF you ordered food at a restaurant and the waiter dropped it on the way to your table should they make you more food?

 
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Yes, because you haven't recieved the food and you're hungry

 
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30th September, 2011 at 00:08:41 -

That was in response for fordom.

Point is.. of course they should!
Although in this case it's a little bit worse.

Sony is the waiter, and they tripped and all the access to your money fell into the hands of the rats and roaches on the floor of the restaurant.

 
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30th September, 2011 at 00:12:46 -

Yeah I know it was for Foredom but when you posted you made me think of food and I'm now hungry

 
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30th September, 2011 at 00:19:02 -

Me too actually.

I think I'll go get a bite to eat.

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30th September, 2011 at 14:21:42 -


Originally Posted by The Chris Street
... Unless they sign a clause in a new set of Terms and Conditions that effectively waives their right to sue Sony if their personal details are again compromised by hackers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14948701

I think this is totally ridiculous. Sony like all companies storing data have a responsibility to protect it.



I think you need to read up a little more about this.

 
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30th September, 2011 at 15:00:10 -

Do you mean about the opt-out clause Nim?

 
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9th December, 2011 at 12:13:40 -

Yeah, the opt-out clause, and the fact that it only applies to class action lawsuits, and the fact that none of us were ever realistically likely to sue Sony anyway.

Everything you've said now also applies to Xbox360 users btw:
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/microsoft-joins-bandwagon-to-block-class-action-lawsuits/3843/

 
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9th December, 2011 at 12:45:38 -

I know, I had to accept those terms and conditions when I signed onto Xbox Live yesterday I sort of feel like our human rights are gradually being stripped away.

 
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18th December, 2011 at 04:44:28 -

Since the ps3 was released some bad stuff falled from the sky... IDK but i prefer to stick still with ps1.

 
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