Originally Posted by Amen-Ra I would re work them, click games often, well just about most of the time have very poor graphics, they may have some decent gameplay but they look so ruff as to completely distract, if the work is put in something more palatable may be created, I want a game I can push the pretty pony over and have something that looks slick and presentable. I have lots of graphics work Ive built up over the years I want to put to use, If I buy the flat game I can put them to some use.
What I do with it, perhaps I only put it online to play from my site for free, perhaps I use it as a portfolio piece to help push my other more complex games that are in the making. Perhaps you could sell it, but quite frankly you would have to seriously push the boat out to do that with some serous effort, I think most click games don't look like something most people would pay money to buy, if anyone did make a click game that people would buy they have certainly pulled out the stops to do so. If you think you can sell your click games online and get sales then go ahead, that's up to you.
Go play a click game that isn't a Bejewled clone, or a board game, you know, like, a game. Have you never played Lyle in Cube Sector? A Game with a Kitty? Even Cavern Tale? Seen the graphics for Tormishire?
Problem with putting your graphics in is that you always make wierd sizes, like 30x30, and many click games use multiples of 8 for tile sizes as that is the 2D game standard, eg. 16x16, 24x24, 32x32, etc.
Also, replacing graphics will land you with so many collision bugs it isn't even funny. And if you even try to hide the original active and overlay graphics over it, it'll cause some slowdown, overlaying 24-bit color PNG's with alpha channels over everything.
Also guys, This guy originally supplied graphics for the game he wanted me to make to use the Swastica to represent the Germans. I'm so close to publicly releasing the source, it's not funny.
Originally Posted by Amen-Ra Hold on here, its not a full game, only the click elements, all artwork was provided and in the editor ready, plus the game was very simple, a small battleship game, you select the ships, the computer selects its ships, you take turns shooting at each other, very simple game, its not a lot of steps, the game got as far as you select your ships, as in click an icon and you place it on a square, and that's it, and that was about 3 months at least, he then said he was unable to finish it and wanted payment.
Also looking at Bibins profile his last entry was Tanooji Dash- LINK FIXED! Submitted: 2nd July, 2005
its now 2008. So its not unrealistic to say this click user is not a high out putter of games.
You're forgetting the quiz elements read from XML files, the enemy AI not being too predictable, debugging, timing, more quiz elements,and the DISPENSING MONEY ELEMENTS; you also wanted me to incorperate some sort of Life Bar into it, which is stupid, since it's battleship; battleship doesn't work that way.
I never said I was unable to finish it and wanted payment. YOU suggested that, and I said that at the time, I was having TROUBLE getting it done AT THAT TIME because of determining which highschool to go to, which, I hope you know, is a rather obnoxious process here in the states. Also, I suffered two hard drive crashes, which are rather annoying to get data from once they have stopped functioning. It's possible, but hard. I mean, look at what I said to you!
"I'd understand if you don't want to pay me at all as I've been rather unprofessional, and also tethered quite a bit by faulty hardware. I'll try to get the source as far as I can then you can pass it on to your other programmer. "
Is that your idea of "demanding pay"?
What you said later was, "I see there may possibly be an option to have the other click user finish the game, if he agrees then the fee will be shared between the two of you, percentages will have to be agreed on, payment would be received if and when he is able to finish what you started."
Also, this guy has some thing against germans, and his reason for using the swastica is that "
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DaVince This fool just HAD to have a custom rating
That other developer was me I believe. I tried replying to his email but it kept bouncing back for some reason and he never contacted me again.
I think Dean is fairly legit, although anyone would be well advised to get a printed contract and have both parties sign it that detail the legal terms of the agreement so that there is no confusion.
TLDR but scanned; sounds more like you have had creative differences then actual problems. But the idea of "Buying games to replace graphics and sell them" is uh, stupid? You might want to consider slowly learning some programming, taking classes and whatnot. If you already have good graphics work of your own, you could probably easily learn some basic programming and make games just like the rest of us. If you want to remain just a graphics expert, working together with someone else on an original project would be even better. Just make sure you've got someone that agrees with you so you can avoid those creative differences.
Originally Posted by vortex2 That other developer was me I believe. I tried replying to his email but it kept bouncing back for some reason and he never contacted me again.
I think Dean is fairly legit, although anyone would be well advised to get a printed contract and have both parties sign it that detail the legal terms of the agreement so that there is no confusion.
Yes, emails began to bounce back to me too. I don't think he's not legit, just I'm very annoyed.
Originally Posted by Peblo I don't see why racism matters, Bibin.
Originally Posted by Amen-Ra ...a small battleship game, you select the ships, the computer selects its ships, you take turns shooting at each other, very simple game, its not a lot of steps, the game got as far as you select your ships, as in click an icon and you place it on a square, and that's it, and that was about 3 months at least, he then said he was unable to finish it and wanted payment.
You do know that a game such as that is not as simple as you think? Clearly you have no click skill if you go around paying people to make crap games for you. If you opened MMF for a second and tried your self you would be lost and probably kill your self. You're nothing but a graphics artist. You should learn to program in the easiest program making program around. If you cannot do that then you're stupid, and shouldn't even be on the internet.
Anyway, as you can almost certainly see, this community has a *slight* programmer over graphic designer bias. However, finding ANY game developer that would be willing to sell the rights of any of his games to you to be butchered would be quite the feat. It would be much easier for you to start learning the basic tenants of programming or finding a good group to work in. Rather unfortunately, most people would rather play a game with good graphics and poor gameplay then vice versa.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Anyway, as you can almost certainly see, this community has a *slight* programmer over graphic designer bias. However, finding ANY game developer that would be willing to sell the rights of any of his games to you to be butchered would be quite the feat. It would be much easier for you to start learning the basic tenants of programming or finding a good group to work in. Rather unfortunately, most people would rather play a game with good graphics and poor gameplay then vice versa.
Butchered? No. Raped. His graphics aren't bad, but his graphics look better for interface design and real art; nothing pixel-friendly. He really should work on 3D graphic design and textures.
I'll freely post some sample graphics if I wish, unless noted otherwise.
Originally Posted by Amen-Ra ...a small battleship game, you select the ships, the computer selects its ships, you take turns shooting at each other, very simple game, its not a lot of steps, the game got as far as you select your ships, as in click an icon and you place it on a square, and that's it, and that was about 3 months at least, he then said he was unable to finish it and wanted payment.
You do know that a game such as that is not as simple as you think? Clearly you have no click skill if you go around paying people to make crap games for you. If you opened MMF for a second and tried your self you would be lost and probably kill your self. You're nothing but a graphics artist. You should learn to program in the easiest program making program around. If you cannot do that then you're stupid, and shouldn't even be on the internet.
Hah, he sorta did; he sent me an MMF2 file with a few objects placed. That was it.
Seriously, I'm ready to post the latest build if anyone's interested in what I mean.
Well, if nothing else at least he's asking people's permission. More people would find someway to steal what they needed under the cover of darkness.. From a shadowy room!
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