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3rd March, 2011 at 09:52:06 -

Maybe i missed it, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk of construct 2 on TDC after the front page news mention of its existence. http://www.create-games.com/newspage.asp?id=3777

There have been several preview builds released, currently Alpha Preview Build 29 ( http://www.scirra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8661 ), and talks of a licensing model so they can make money off of it in the future and turn it into a full time job deal. As well as threads on the direction they're taking construct in.

The overall design of Construct 2 is absolutely fabulous. The idea of an external plugin-like runtime system blows my mind. Anyone could code and release their own runtime, making it 100x more extensible than Multimedia Fusion.

And now for the catch. In both proposed licensing models...
http://www.scirra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8704
http://www.scirra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8722

...its more of a subscription fee than a one time license purchase. And the prices? they're damn expensive. 150 pounds for 2 years of updates, 700 pounds for 10 years of updates? seems like a bit of a gamble to me. Other than the construct and click communities, not many people are even aware of construct, afaik. It seems kind of ballsy to go out and charge an arm and a leg for software that was originally completely open source and free.

This totally kills the idea of construct as a clickteam alternative for me.

i do hope clickteam takes a page from construct 2's design philosophy of having the runtime be extensible by third parties. if they did that they mmf3 would blow it out of the water.

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3rd March, 2011 at 10:09:09 -

I wasn't even aware of it's existence!

So Construct 1 is finished and released then?

How do I miss these things? (and no, it's not because I'm only here, cause I'm not)

Interesting anyways, though the licensing deal kinda defeats the purpose of the program imho.

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 10:13:08 -

thats another thing. no. construct 1 has not been released/completed and iirc there are no plans to finish it. i do believe they said they would occasionally release some updates with bug fixes for it, but as it stands the original construct will simply be 'Construct 0.x' and their focus will now be on Construct 2.

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3rd March, 2011 at 10:22:31 -

The flexibility sounds great, something MMF really needs. But yeah, that licensing is a real turn off >_>

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 12:43:58 -

People are still making updates for Construct 1. The latest version was done without Ashley doing anything. Construct 1 is still fairly stable, and a very nice program.


Construct 2 is £39 for 2 years of updates (less than that if you get it while its young), or theres different options (even the option to use it for free). So yeah, lol.



 
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3rd March, 2011 at 12:49:22 -

I like that it's going to be based on html5/canvas, but unfortunately they're keeping the ribbon interface, which means it will still be a steaming pile of crap. Too bad...

 
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Edited by alastair john jack

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 14:29:49 -

Construct 2 also automatically makes you an amazing programmer, artist and musician. Its amazing what it does, really.

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 14:32:32 -

I thought the free part was one of Construct's biggest draws... Was that a beta-only thing?

 

  		
  		

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3rd March, 2011 at 15:13:35 -

Hi Cecil - Alastair John Jack is right, it's only £39 for the indie license, and we'll be running reduced early-adopter licenses too. The prices you quoted are (the proposed prices) for the commercial license, which means you'd be earning at least £20k/yr from Construct 2. I don't think even the commercial license is a big cost if you're making that much!

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 15:42:05 -

£39 is daylight robbery for a cloned program with extra features.

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 16:44:45 -

@Alastair - "i do believe they said they would occasionally release some updates with bug fixes for it, but as it stands the original construct will simply be 'Construct 0.x' and their focus will now be on Construct 2."

@Adam - please keep the negativity to a minimum. As should everyone.

@Ashely - Thank you for the response Ashley. However whats the difference then? When paying for different tiers of licenses there is usually a drawback for choosing the lesser of the two. Whether its having to credit the software with endless or nagging splash screens, or even paying royalties, or having less functionality. I tend to go all out when purchasing software. I will either pay nothing and use a slightly gimped version, or the full price for all the features.

I also realize these are just proposed licensing structures and there are less expensive licenses. I'm just kind of peeved how it went from "free and open sourced", to "hey pay what you want", to "oh, its gonna cost you, and if you want to continue getting updates down the line you gotta pay some more". I love everything about how Construct 2 is being made, and the potential of what its going to be sounds fantastic, but at the moment the way its being licensed is kind of absurd. 1000$ for a commercial product is something i would expect to pay for software from a well known software company, not a bunch of college students/community developers trying to jumpstart a profitable company.

However, if the £39 indie license gets me everything the commercial license does, without royalties or splashes, then i will probably buy into it. I still do not like this idea of "future-proofed with [set amount of time] of free updates". I would gladly pay another £39 for a new Major revision like Construct 3. or even an amount for a new exporter.

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3rd March, 2011 at 17:12:15 -


Originally Posted by -Adam-
£39 is daylight robbery for a cloned program with extra features.



No if it's cheaper and better than the program it's cloning.

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 17:43:42 -


Originally Posted by Johnny Look

Originally Posted by -Adam-
£39 is daylight robbery for a cloned program with extra features.



No if it's cheaper and better than the program it's cloning.



You telling me you make decent games now?

 
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3rd March, 2011 at 18:43:53 -

ouch that totally hurt my feelings

Now moving on, construct 2...

 
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