Personally, I think just about every country in the world has a horrible education system. All these educated people are hardly any smarter than when they came in. It's based on the concept that people who work hard become smarter, which is about as dumb as the whole "No pain, no gain" exercise motto of the 80s and early 90s.
I'm just plain sick and tired of people who memorize a particular topic in an exam to score in the exam, then forget everything about the topic. They end up getting better grades than people who understand and remember the whole topic, even though they know less. So, I'm gonna write a book on the ideal education system, that shall be a guide to all countries to come!
But of course, I need some ideas, and I want to find out the flaws in my ideas.
- Education and administration shouldn't be together. This probably applies to almost every aspect of it. The problem with management is that people tend to fix things that don't need to be fixed, thus making things worse. They add more records to be filled, more subjects to cram into the syllabus, etc. Which only serves to waste time.
- Students should develop their own theories. Instead of giving a formula and giving them an example, it should be the other way around. Students should be given something that the formula applies to, then they should figure out how to solve the problem. The next day, the teacher tells them the formula/theory that applies to it. It takes a bit more time, but students would have a solid knowledge about it.
- Tests shouldn't be the main factor in telling whether a student's smart or not. A test sees whether the kid memorizes the facts in the book, but doesn't really evaluate their mastery of it, lest they get bad results. There's got to be another way.. but I have yet to find it out
- Teachers should at least know SOMETHING about what they're teaching. Damn primary school teachers here are dumber than laborers.
OK, so what complaints do you guys have?
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For the most part, mine was pretty good. There were plenty of assholes, but I suppose you get that in every school. The only real problem we had was with the ninjas. One moment you're being humiliated in PE class, the next thing *TWAK* your teacher has a katana through his head. And whenever we went into the hall for assembly, the janitors had to go through first with long brooms to try and knock all down all the ninjas hanging from the ceiling, otherwise they drop down and cut your throat if you're talking at the podium. You'd think the local council would do something about a problem like that, but nope.
I am an advocate of public schools, my experience with them has always been very good. The only thing that pisses me off is that our school spent $800,000 on a new football field, that serves only two sports. And they didn't put astroturf in either, so the grass is already fucked up. With that kind of money they could have given EVERYBODY in school a laptop.
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Well I think the UK school system is alright. I think continual assessment (or whatever the regular exam system is called) is better than having a whole bunch of exams at once though. Like for GCSEs, it kind of sucks trying to fit ten entire subjects in your head at once. I think the US works on the regular assessment system.
Plus, I don't think it's as simple as memorising facts. Exams are usually carefully designed to make sure you understand, and haven't just memorised. For example in maths you can memorise the process to solve a quadratic equation, but if you can't spot that a question simplifies down to a quadratic equation, it aint gonna help you. You have to understand to at least some degree what you are doing.
Additionally I would not consider myself in the position to suggest an improved education system since I have no formal experience in teaching.
The only problem i ever had at school was the twatty students that get talking in class around certain teahers, This made those teachers stop for a good fifteen minutes until they stopped talking and paid attention, they never did and then we all got kept in at lunch time to catch up,
Some teachers just kicked their arse and all was good.
Probably one of the reasons a did so bad at maths, our teacher couldnt teach unless there was absolute silence. geek.
My school is alright but there's some real problems nationwide. For example, we're always being told that girls are smarter than boys, because they get higher exam results. WRONG! Both sexes are equally clever, but males have a shorter attention span and are less good at memorizing things than girls. Unless something is changed in the way the lessons are taught then boys will always have a disadvantage. For example, my last lesson at school today was Physics. The teacher babbled on at us about satellites (no diagrams) and only twice asked anybody a question. Then he buggered off, leaving us 2 pages of a textbook to do. Result? No work done and hardly any knowledge gained. The only thing I now know about satellites that I didn't before was that geostationary means the same as geosynchronous and weather satellites go up the earth rather than stay with it. That accounted for the first 2 questions of the textbook.
the whole world's education system is fucked up. You only use like 30% of everything you learn in school. And most pain in the ass are classes like, music, religion, or art (don't really know what u call them in english, (made in Finland)). Coz u can't get better at them, either you're good or bad at it, and people that aren't good in any of these, never get anywhere in life, even if they're good at everything else.
I think I'd pay more attention in school if they thought valuable things... like how to blow things up or opening that impossible clasp on girl's bras.
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You're more likely just to be able to blow things. No 'up'.
"You only use like 30% of everything you learn in school." But how do you know what 30% you're going to need? Few people keep themselves to one type of career, and some people choose one and have to work as something else. I agree that some subjects you're just not good at, but I believe most school systems give you choices at some point.
"Additionally I would not consider myself in the position to suggest an improved education system since I have no formal experience in teaching."
Many new teachers don't have proper experience of teaching anyway (frequently taking conversion courses).
bring back the cane! show those little shits who's boss!
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the remaining 70% is stuff like mothertongue. You don't really need to know what a noun is or what tempus form you have to use when talking about what you did yesterday, do you? Teachers always answer "it's useful when learning foreign languages". Bullshit, i've got a 10 (highest possible grade) in english but i never even think of nouns or tempus forms.
Damn. You guys have it easy. My education system's completely based around memorizing stuff (except for maths and physics). Memorize a synonym of the wrong word and you get 0 marks. Kinda why girls do so damn good in high school and so damn horrible in universities. Then those bitches blame it on sexism.
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There's not enough grading in australian schools due to the 'no child left behind' rule, which means that the smart kids get stuck doing boring work and they lose interest.
When i went to public school it was much like it's been described already.
I got to a long term education now (i'm gonna be a computer thingy).
It consists of 3 parts:
1) Basic stuff
The basic course is an introduction thing that makes sure you know what you should when you begin the education itself. You're given a book, and you then have to study stuff and take continous small exams. This way you only have to concentrate about 1 thing at a time which is great. There's no oldschool schooling (ie the teachers are there for you when you need them and dont just stand next to a blackboard and blabber, you can do things at your own pace).
2 & 3) Internship and Teaching
After this, the education consists of internship, then a month of regular schooling, then back again, until you're done.
While being an intern, you're obviously placed in a computer company (if you can get an internship, otherwise you're in a department of school that emulates internship). You decide yourself what you wanna write reports on, though it's best to do things related to part 3 of the education.
Besides the fact that everyone in my area's public school are blind sheep who have no brain of their own once so ever? Basicly, the system is just flawed. They just installed a new highschool with desks that erase themselves; you need a KEY CARD TO GO TO THE FREAKIN' BATHROOM! If you loose it, you're on your own. (I'm not joking about this): They have bars on some of the windows (it's about lawsuites and stuff). The doors lock on you during school hours. This cost our town millions of dollars, and yet the teachers and the circulum still suck. And then you have SATS: they don't do anything for you. They just prove that you can take a test. It shows how much you can remember.
The school system is #$%ed up.
*breaths*
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The local government is making large budget cuts in the education department every year. The old people here don't care if idiots are going to run the country in 20 years.
Your school got that? Wow, that sucks... but we'd be lucky to get new headphones in our music department. (3 years and counting)
We got SATs from you guys. Personally, I think we should've given them back a long time ago (nobody in school wants them, except for anyone in any kind of authority i.e. school governors and those in Government)
On the subjects of exams, they're getting more and more meaningless. For example, last year's Maths GCSE (taken at 16) required 60% for an A... B at 40%, etc. and more and more people get higher grades in the important exams. It doesn't help the brighter pupils. Whatever university I apply to next year is almost certain to get hundreds more with 2 'A's and a 'B'; it's hard to differentiate, and it does become meaningless to some extent.
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The American Public School system is extreamly flawed. They think they can save our fragil little minds by adding 'white boards' (chalk boards that are actually COMPUTERS that erase themselves), adding securty cameras (big brother style) by giving us keycards to access the bathroom/gym room/and so on; if we scan in our cards, it will identify us by NUMBER. This is like a freaking Brave New World school. And through it all, we still are so screwed up, and a lot of the kids here need a brain of their own. We need better Curriculums, not high-tech crap.
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I'm at a "Specially Designated Computing and Mathematics College" apparantly - but I can still never find a spare computer during my free periods, and finding a working printer (with paper) is nigh impossible.
wow Laz, what RI school systm are you in? In the providence District we were still using math books from the seventies. And the cranston system isn't much better.
@Lazarus: I believe the word curriculum is pronounced curricula in plural. Either I am wrong or you were just stating an example of your faulty educationsystem.
The problem with our schoolsystem, according to my mathteacher, is the "compulsary school" (age 7- 16). Our neighbour Finland is the second smartest country out of 30, whilst Sweden is the 15:th. That is not a coincidence. Under 9 years our future economics is tortured with lessons in handicraft and future steelworkers with math.
Furthermore, I believe children in countries wich has english as first language either has it easier or have more useful education then children who don't have. Ussually a pupil needs to read his mothertounge, a foreigin language and english, but for an english kid; mothertounge and english is the same thing.
"Stating an example of your faulty education system."
Don't blame the school system for your own stupidity, people take school for granted, that’s why they don't learn anything. If you give your best, you will get the best. Public education is self serving, teachers are more than happy to explain things after class.
Hawaii's GLO's (General Learner Outcome's)
GLO #1: Self-Directed Learner - The ability to be responsible for one's own learning.
Everything Laz described are problems created by the students. Bars on windows to prevent break-ins, self erasing computers to prevent viruses and the shit kids download. Key cards are to prevent graffiti, smoking in the bathroom or whatever else there is to do in there besides what is intended. Cameras are for your security, if you get beat up, they will know who did it, if something gets stolen, they will know who did it. Tell me how this is a bad thing.
I don't believe that they lock the doors, it is against the USA's STRICT fire-code that all exit doors must remain unlocked during operating hours.
I happen to be enjoying a very good education; our school has AP classes, so I'm never bored. As for the SAT's it's required if you want to go to any good college, so get used to it. I'm happy because I got a 740 on English and a 680 on Math. 1200 is where scholarships start. The SATs aren’t even a test of what you know; it's a common sense test. It's like a sport, all you have to do is practice.
Anyway I think people should stop blaming their failures on public school.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
JP, I can vouch for Laz's school system and the whole state he lives in actually. I used to live there. The problem used to be the massive corruption in the government (the state was mob run) and lots of funding didn't even get put into the schools. I'd guess that they have given up on the schools I used to go to (public schools in the middle of a crime ridden city, I'd give up on them too). The education is actually pretty decent though, even though you are using outdated equipment and such. When I moved out here to colorado, I realized that as much as the school system sucked, it was light years beyond the overfunded mess that the Thompson RJ-2 School distric is (the loveland, CO district). Out here in Algebra 2 + 3 (10th + 11th grade math) they treated quadratic equasions like they were brand new material (which apparently it was to all these ppl) and in my old school, I learned that in like 7th grade. Thus began the daily trials of:
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Teacher waits till it seems like I'm not paying attention, "Solve this problem on the board"
Shab looks up, takes half a second to figure it out, gets it right, then resumes playing gameboy.
I'm pretty sure this is why I got away with doing whatever the hell I wanted in class (as long as I kept the volume low).
I actually attend a good school district were I live, and it's also got AP classes and a ton of extracurriculars. But too many people steal calculators and my school.
I suppose I should be grateful that nobody steals my school. You've got it really bad over there.
As for languages: we have to learn a foreign language, though now the requirement is much less (only about 3 years, down from 5). I think that should start before the age of 11, personally, as I believe most other countries do with English.
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u know, we have a sound detector in every class in my school. If you talk too loudly, it goes red, and the teacher throws you out through the window. believe it!
Yeah, exams are getting even more meaningless. I actually blame it on the politics. People would just go on saying "My kid got straight A's for exam ___", and the other guy would say "Well, my kid got even more A's". So, to make newspapers happy, the government lowers the standards every year to keep up with the trend. Now every year, there's an increase of about 10% in the number of straight A students, even though every teacher and student knows that it's rigged. The few students that don't get straight A's get humiliated for years, even though all you need to do to get an A is to just do the same thing and not think about it. It's all a sham, just like the prison system. Except you're torturing innocent kids for votes, not criminals.
Personally, I think the whole system's screwed up because of the money. Generally the most greedy teachers get promoted to an administration position just because they show the most interest in it and less interest in teaching. Thus, they end up just making more and more rules to prove that they're doing something. And they justify the worthless rules on the need for 'discipline'. Hmm... same problem with almost everything else. Gah, screw writing books on the education system... I should write a book about how management and everything else in life should be simplified. People would have much easier lives if bureaucracy would just be quickened by letting you automatically fill forms with national identity cards.
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All of these is a cause of masturbation... If your teachers will stop masturbate, they where became much smarter!
Masturbation add many weird ideas to therapysts, teachers, administrators and promoted workers... They might all like to masturbate often.
It's been saying that all these weird theories and decisions has been made in Greece as the first Greek dicovered masturbation... Same as the mentioned new football yard in one of JP's messages. They all probably like to masturbate often. Many founded people find it fun to do. I get mad when I do it. Others get mad because I did it. So I just stop. It just make the whole world crazy and our Lord laughs out loud when seeing this, when he see us masturbating. It also bring the tsunami!
Anyway we all must convince these guys to stop. It just makes them crazy. Post at educational forums, post it at workplace, note it to your grocer when you go to market, Tell all your girlfriends and your boyfriends.
It's just too dangerous! We must stop!!!
Australian schools seriously suck ass, I can tollerate most of my school sport ETC, but I cannont tollerate the ammount off assholes Australia seems to pump out during sport everythigns way to competetive and cause I seriously dont give a shit I normally end up dumping people away from the ball and going to get it and get told off for being 'too agressive' where as if I was doing that to WIN there would be no problem at all, sucks ass and also History I am sick to death of hearing people winge about Aboriginies... I dont care people at my school dont care, and realistaically not many people in Aus give a shit anymore, apart from Abos and the People that live around them
The only thing better than winning gold in the paralympics is not being retarted
I think Nastyman is seriously on to something here. I've heard that dolphins ejaculate with the force of a jackhammer, so if we lined a whole bunch of them up in the ocean and whacked them off at the same time, we could create tsunamis on command. The perfect weapon.
I blame it on homework, I never do any homework, but get some of the highest grades on tests in all my classes. and I managed to get a B in my math class last year (Algebra 2 S/Trig) by Playing calculator games all day, everyday. Our teacher really didn't care what we did...ever.
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well my mothertoungue teacher forced me to write a test(a very long & hard one) in 5 minutes coz i hadn't told her i hadn't done it yet. I had been ill the week before. How was i supposed to know they had a test if i had been ill!??
And later on, when i had done the test, i had somehow done it in the wrong way, but got correct answers. So she forced me to do it again, without preparing, the way it "was supposed" to. i got a 5 (finnish grade system: 4-10) when i could have gotten a 8 or 9.
Radix our school has this same problem. Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to how to prevent these random ninja attacks from happening? We would all really appreciate your help.
"Actually sir, we found a tiny unicorn in your exhaust. It was jumping around poking holes in your gas tank." "Oh thank you I did not know that. A tiny unicorn? Wow."
argh, you ppl are idiots, turning a perfectly good topic into a spam topic
ok basically i think that the school system was amde not to teach us, rather to make our country better than other countries, it's all a selfish plan on the governments part
i also don't like homework, and it's not that sterotypical i hate homework thing, it's just that we do enough work at school (at least i do, i work my ass off there) and tthen, jus to rub it in, we get homework, like wtf, school isn't 7 hours long anymore, you've got school the whole day, i mean, come on, i've got a life, and i know teachers do too, but like homework? for what? to keep us busy and inside, rather than go out (some people do cause trouble while out, but there's too many obese people in the world as it is (i'm not making fun of them or anything, but this is true, and no, it's not ok that they are obese), and there's already been a plan of action to make phys ed mandatory, because of the large number of obese people, and being overflowed with homework, doesn't help any bit in helping people get fit, certainly, health should be put on top of all things, even schools teach us that, but with homework, how on earth is that possible, more so when they give us a lot of work, then expect us to have awesome quality in each assignment, like come on! wtf am i?! a robot?
if a robot is what you want, we might as well replace the whole world as robots, then what? exactly, there'd be no use for anyone, so they got us, and don't expect anymore, than just us
I was in a pretty good school... You learn just and only what is required for a working citizen and also learn technical education such as Graphic design, Video production, or Teaching & Educating... Sort of this stuff... Until I find all these people are pretty stupid just as others... It was a good school though. They didn't had much homework or pressure or test because the students had a long school day. Longer than in other high schools... I was really helped myself out by going to this school and being a good student... It was fairly easy for me to suceed though I was on self controlling medical drugs. Also, I liked graphic design and knew most of the learning material from the early childhood...
It was a great revenge for me against a boarding school for issued kid that just didn't made it good by treating it's patients. Anyway. Until now. No psychiatrist is convinced I can behave well or succeed without having their fallicious therapy. Why? They had these scums on their masturbated mind, to weaken everyone considered as a threat for psychietry. Especially creative , very smart people or these who think against the society.
Though my foolish behave. I'm against the society.
I'm also using scientology at my free time which caught as a big threat to others and mostly by psychietry...
Though all my success in school I discovered it all was for nothing. What I learn though they reasonibly teach it to the students is a waste of time and mind observation... I found that most thing I learned was a big lie for controlling citizen to accept the rules of the society. What I learned didn't help me in real life, Caused me troubles, and mostly revealed to me as a big lie. Both Scientology and Judism agree that the current school system doesn't have the right affection on the yuth and is used to controll the youngers to be slave for money, work, society, and rediculously behaving rules. Devoties I met said it's not good for your soul and it's not what your soul really want. Scientologies know there's false learning materials based mostly on mistakes that were done by people along history, and by controlling of other organizations such as psychiatry, and other echonomical and organization of the press media with their own interests, brings the futured citizens to be controlled and obeyed for everything I was writing before.
What we learn in school these are nonsense. It is mostly doesn't help in life, beside lingual subjects and math other learning subjects are not really important nor usefull for an individual and are used for society control and elites administration proposes only.
The most that is need to be replaced are the leaders and the people are incharged. I am sure that all of this doesn't happens on clears society.
What we also learn at school is being less acceptable and polite to others, Serrender to these who control use, abandon values such as bliss, love, friendship, and truth for the crude values of society, hirrachy, economical ,fashional and social states, People has mostly become less honest, ampathic, caring... Everything goes on for success, career, welth, and many other external quantities, Though similar things were 200 years ago and even in ancient times.
As I can say. Right now most system of educations are waste of time and effort include many these of scientology...
I do bugger all at school, and put the least amount of effort I can get away with into my homework. People complain about the stress and the annoyance of homework/revision, but it's terribly over-exaggerated. People should just get on with it and shut there pie-holes.
well it came about when i wondered how long it would take to watch every classic movie ever made. at some point it has to be physically impossible to do so.
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It's a matter of scope. It takes a minimum number of particles to store a single bit of data. You can't store the state of the universe at any point in time without creating a second universed-sized repository of matter to store the information. At that point you can move the scope out further: to record the state of both the universe and the adjunct storage space. So the amount of matter needed to store a perfect history grows geometrically.
Okay? Same thing on a human level. What did hitler have for breakfast on april 3rd, 1922? What did the guy who lived two doors down have?
The further more obscure the history, the further the scale is abstracted. To record everything for posterity, everyone on the planet would have to be recording everything they do, 24/7.
I mean, it's obvious. The more history there is to record, the broader the scale will be. The point where there's too much history to keep track of is the moment you decide to start recording.
Eventually, history will simply be "There were 3 major wars in the 20th century. Name 2 of them", etc .
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Yeah, I wasn't talking about recording every bit of insignificant data; I was talking about historic events. I thought it was pretty obvious that I didn't plan on chronologically organizing what everyone ate for breakfast.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
But historical significance is subjective. So while there's mountains of recorded history on, say, the colonization of america, the colonization of egypt by the aliens just just a footnote.
That's what I meant by it being a matter of scope. You can't record everything, so you pick what you think is significant. That you weren't referring to every little scrap of information is evidence of this: it appears ridiculous because it's common sense. But it's still lost knowledge.
It's a matter of scope. It takes a minimum number of particles to store a single bit of data. You can't store the state of the universe at any point in time without creating a second universed-sized repository of matter to store the information. At that point you can move the scope out further: to record the state of both the universe and the adjunct storage space. So the amount of matter needed to store a perfect history grows geometrically.
Maybe you could compress it by only recording the difference to the current universe?
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It might work if you had particles with zero energy, but background radiation makes that impossible. Everything's always doing something. Although even that mightn't work on the scale of strings, I'm not sure.
@Radix - Yeah it is common sense, which is why I left it open ended. Any schmuk can determine whether something has historical significance. Hitler eating cheerios - no. Hitler killing millions of Jews - yes. Subjective or not, give a list of random events to anyone and ask them to pick only the important ones, and the results will be on par with everyone else’s choices.
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And the reason for that is because everyone knows you can't record everything.
Pertinence is irrelevant, also. I don't give a flying fuck about, say, Norwegian history. But that doesn't mean other pople don't. I can see how what Hitler ate for each meal every day might be very important information for an empirical study on the impact of nutrition on psychology.
If we had a magical machine that could record everything, everywhere for all time, we'd leave it switched on. But we don't, so we have to scale our interest.
I don't know. Maybe. But quantum particles act over a probability spread, and deviations are likely to occur 99.9999% of the time. And strings probably make things worse.
There might be ways, I don't know. I'd think if you wanted some form of compression, you'd then have to assign an index to the particles to indicate which aren't stored, and given that the number of particles in the universe is anywhere between 10^72 and 10^87, that's a pretty big index, which is going to need its own storage.
Um. Anyway. Even if you could, unless you have lossless compression of less than 50% of the total data, growth would still be geometric. In a few thousand Planck time intervals it's still really, really big no matter what.
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