Sorry for the double-post, but I just noticed something really quite dangnably cool!
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Woo. Nifty. Makes me feel a lot better given the whole soon-to-fall-off-the-conveyor thing. At least I'll have a legacy when I do go one day
Super-shrug. I don't think it's dying at all. If anything I just think TDC, as a site, is stagnating. We get these little updates every so often but maybe we just need a giant overhaul. A frontpage that cycles through "adverts" for click games. Say the top 100 rated or so games each have a user created graphic. A downloads section thats more clearly set out for games, demos, apps. Some markup to load little music players so we can play music without having to download (do it in Flash). A shake up of moderators could be nice, it seems like we only have 2 or 3 active mods. Get some new mods who aren't busy with college or university even if its just someone who can update the polls, GotW etc.
Usage of MMF is far from declining. A big update please. Dare I say... ditch Mitch.
You're probably right James, it's just all of that takes a hell of a lot of work. I agree that the site somewhat needs an overhaul, but it just depends whether or not it is feasible to do so, and whether it's really worth our time (would it really increase activity that much? I'm not sure).
But I do agree about messing around with the admin/mod team - we've discussed the idea for the last few months, but haven't really gone about doing it yet for one reason or another. We'd have to discuss how we'd go about hiring new admins too - although we have a lot of regulars here, in my opinion only a small fraction would be mature and responsible enough to actually take an admin position.
I may bring it up some what, but like I've said before, I'm concentrating on my exams which only last 4 weeks now - so after that I can hopefully put a lot of my time into the DC from then on, whether it be competitions, GOTW, new admins .etc.
There are times when we're allowed to be a little immature
It's just, you know, a lot of this community includes people who are far far more immature than any of the admins.. That's just my opinion
I'm not just talking about maturity, the majority of the current admins on TDC are completely inefficient and somewhat biased, that's why it seems so crap at times.
And if you want examples:
Admins using this place like their little god-station, where they can have their last say on a thread and lock it, when sometimes their "last say" is a very personal opinion and a lot of people may not agree with. It's like saying something and running away, really pathetic.
Admins warning people when they don't even read half of what's going on, or haven't even been active on the site for a good 3 months- this really pisses me off, it's like you don't even do your job properly yet you still have the admin status- how and why?
EDIT: Admins BADLY EDITING POSTS. Ive noticed this especially when Phizzy's posts are deleted, there's still other posts refering to his, and containing abusive/argumentative comments, from where only half the argument has been deleted.
Rikus is the only one who updates the news page nowadays, and even though its often, it's just news on the downloads and project's Ive already seen about 5 hours before him because he lives in Canada.
To be honest I think it could be so much more professional.
On a final note, why are the admins at this level? I mean, what have they done CLICK-WISE to earn admin levels. I think it's important to a certain extent,that admins should have had some successful history with click products. I mean, if their passion is not that visible in clicking, why are they admins on a click-community site?
Btw Adam linked me here - hence my visit, since leaving.
But anyway, just to remind you all, www.klikbox.net is still open for anyone that wants to start creating a new community - featuring everything that people think TDC lacks or whatever.
It's a really good domain name (imo) and someone could put it to really good use. So let me know?
Oh, and another thing. All this crap about the community dying.. if people really are leaving, it's because the admins have done nothing to make it a happier place for them. It's down to the admins to resolve problems, help people and update people, in order to keep the community thriving, so it's pretty Ironic you made this thread, Muz
Originally Posted by Flava You're probably right James, it's just all of that takes a hell of a lot of work.
I completely understand, sorry if my original post sounded a little harsh on you guys. Hell I can't find the time to overhaul my own site let alone something big like this, and I'm not even at uni any more!
I'm honestly getting tired of defending the point that the K. Com is dying. It's pretty damn obvious. You can say TDC is dying. Honestly, people keep saying that every time I make a post like this. I take note of who does. And every single time I do, half of those people are no longer here. Give me the name of any klik site that still exists. I'll bet you that they haven't been updated in a month. TDC? Barely any downloads, compared to the older days when there were at least 2 new downloads every day. Heck, these days unfinished games are making the front page.
It is in a bad state. I do miss when there was an abundance of games to pick from or when there were enough people for chat rooms to exist. It's not necessarily bad.. no more bullies anymore, aside from those who over-estimate their influence
Big games aren't the problem either. I've got a very tough project in the works, which I expect to be completed in 2 or 3 months, so that's no excuse. And really.. while there are a lot more projects with big games, not many are seeing light of day. I think big projects really hurt everything though, because it turns a hobby into work
Adam:
Admins can only do so much to help. Like I've said, all of us doing one tiny bit like putting a link to Clickteam in the game's readme would help alot more than all the admins making TDC a happier place by making contests or kewl skins or giving a vapourware demo front page coverage.
Also, I have to defend admins a little there. It is as professional as it can get under the conditions. A lot of good admins like Pete Nattress, ShadowCaster, Broomie have left the community or are being pretty damn dormant. Most people were elected not as a result of their kliking experience, but for maturity (being neutral) on TDC and just some passion for the community. All of them have done a lot of good on TDC and elsewhere. So far, I've been the most controversial of the admins so you really can't judge everyone else because of me
But also, like I said, even the admins are getting old. Hiring another 20+ year old kliker won't make a difference because most of us are busy with uni, work, starting a new family. Which is what worries me.. there's no more preteen newbs or senior citizens entering the community. I expect half of the people to stop kliking at about the age of 23-35, which is resulting in the condition we see today. I know I won't stop kliking, but I still want some people who truly appreciate the effort I put into my games when I do release something nice.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Originally Posted by -Adam- "Admins can only do so much to help"
Yeah, making one or two news posts every 5 months deserves a "Best admin of the year" award, I'm sure.
Dude, you have to learn to rid whole paragraphs! (even if they do ramble)
/me points out the declining rate of submissions yet again, points out again how admins are getting into the 'klik-quitting age', which points to the topic of the thread.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
I'm talking about the lack of basic administration, I don't expect anything extreme or more than usual, but we're not even getting that. At the moment all the work is down to two admins, and even then they're both too busy to do much.
Admins are all still doing this in our free time, we are getting older and time is sparse, i disgaree with adam (who has been really bitter and gloomy lately), we are doing the best we can under the situation but i think some people underestimate what it is like being a admin, its for sure going to piss people of no mather what you do or do not do, I do agree something needs to change, i do not think a new admin will change all that much but and i have been trying to talk to club about this but we are both so frickin busy, what it comes down to i think the dc needs to commercialize a bit more and work closer with clickteam to get that new fresh user base, what this means i'm not sure about yet, but this has been on my mind, something needs to happen (paid subscription for extra content like to have space for your pics and games and other nifty special extras, selling a klickdisc on the site or even clickteam products) or else i'm afraid things will just slowly move to the background even for me it might not be worth the time to keep updating this place.
But i think me the admins club and clickteam need to talk to eachother about this,
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