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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 18:20:09 -
yes, you can buy it for $9.99 US online, but seriously, not a cent of that goes towards anyone who was ever involved in any way with the development or resources or design or production in any way.
Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
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OMC
What a goofball
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8th January, 2009 at 19:22:27 -
That doesn't change the fact that it's illegal. >_> Atari bought the rights, and with it the right to sell it. So really, you're stealing from Atari. 
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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 19:27:21 -
well, look at it this way:
Is it illegal? Yes
Is the law enforceable? Absolutely not
Is it amoral? No
now if you go jaywalking over the street across from your house and a dozen men from scotland yard pop out and say 'A-HA' from behind some inconveniently placed bushes, maybe you should reconsider, but over here these sorts of thing are more of a moralistic question
Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
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OMC
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8th January, 2009 at 19:41:01 -
It's suddenly not immoral to steal? O_o Musta missed the memo.
But I'm not here to debate this. I'm not clicking the link, so it doesn't really matter, does it? 
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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 19:58:18 -
would you pay bill gates if you bought a painting from a hippy at a coffee shop? Atari didn't make MOO2. Theres no reason to blindly follow laws irregardless of morality, one serves the other
but yeah, I'd highly recommend MOO2 over FreeOrion, MOO2 was a classic in its day.
Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
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OMC
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8th January, 2009 at 20:11:11 -
If Bill Gates owned the painting and I was buying it, (for some reason) then yes. The law is set up that way on purpose. Doubtless the free trade world would not work without rights buying and other things. This isn't a case of blindly following rules. It makes sense. It's how the industry works.
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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 20:19:17 -
If that aging hippy died in a drug overdose and Bill Gates purchased his desiccated corpse and a couple junky paintings next to it for a few nickels from a few looting hobos, and threw it all in the depths of his vaults beneath his palatial estate, with his only interest being absorbing the remaining biomass for his own fiendish occult rituals.
Which is a rough translation of how Atari got the intellectual rights from the company that actually made it
Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
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OMC
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8th January, 2009 at 20:24:05 -
You know what, nevermind.  This is pointless. I have more fun things to worry about. 
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Aptennap
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8th January, 2009 at 20:33:35 -
Lol make your own topic!!
Oh sweet mary.
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Rob Rule
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8th January, 2009 at 20:36:28 -
Originally Posted by OldManClayton
It's suddenly not immoral to steal?
Piracy is, in the eyes of the law and legislation, not regarded as theft, despite what the marketing departments that craft those intrusive adverts might imply.
It'll all blow over.
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OMC
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8th January, 2009 at 20:37:09 -
Oh psh. Rubbish.
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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 20:38:09 -
if tomorrow every government in the world abolished the concept of 'ownership' and decided that stealing was perfectly legal, then what? If a Pillsbury spokesman went out into the street and cruelly pelted the starving homeless with loaves of bread for his own amusement, would it be amoral if one of them kept the bread to feed their families, instead of returning it to its 'rightful owner', just for him to pelt it at their heads again?
The point isn't that we need something, but rather that not all theft can be categorically called amoral. Thats something that needs to be judged of its own merits, rather than universally condemned. Were Bill Gates using some dead hippy's severed right hand to summon mephistopheles with the blood of a hundred virgins, I wouldn't be too personally bothered about xeroxing a copy of a couple of paintings he didn't even know he had, that were painted by someone long dead. After all, when you pay $9.99 US for Master of Orion 2, where is that money going? None of it will go into the hands of those who put their hard work into the coding, none to those who labored on the pixel art. Rather it goes to a faceless corporate entity who absorbed the dead husk of Simtex simply so that they could whore out the title for a soulless third installment in search of profits.
I guess if I were a dead celebrity, I wouldn't want to be on TV dancing with a Vacuum Cleaner
Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
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OMC
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8th January, 2009 at 20:40:44 -
This is beyond inane. >_> So stealing from a corporation is less wrong than stealing from one person?
Semantics! I'm done. Seeya.
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Pixelthief
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8th January, 2009 at 20:45:50 -
you stinkers and your post edits.
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Rob Rule
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8th January, 2009 at 20:50:36 -
Originally Posted by OldManClaytonOh psh. Rubbish.
I understand why you'd think that - it's a logical and fair assumption that piracy is theft, and it's an assumption that's been harnessed by various marketing bodies to defend their IPs, which has only served to strengthen the general public belief on the matter. Regardless, it's not. There is a legal difference between copyright infringement and theft, written under legislation (and it's the law that defines theft, so subjective 'what if, let's say' scenarios like the ones posed above aren't really relevant). The law is awfully black and white at the level of definitions, and copyright infringement and theft are neither classed nor treated as the same.
I rustled up the first link I came across which explains it more specifically, also using real life cases as reference, in case you were interested in learning more:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/28/copying_is_theft_and_other/
Edit: Edited to quote you as there were a few posts made.
Edited by Rob Rule
It'll all blow over.
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