The Daily Click ::. Forums ::. General Chat ::. The Undeniable Pitfall of Point and Click
 

Post Reply  Post Oekaki 
 

Posted By Message

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 04:02:13 -

Emerging after the advent of procedural and object oriented programming languages, Clickteam's revolutionary products have facilitated much of the creativity and production of software. With this tool available to all, a community rises from the shared admiration of many for these products, and its members display the products that they have made through them. The new community is the offspring of Clickteam, the infantile generator of games, struggling against the limitation of their interface to shape functionality, whose power is most adequately wielded through the interfaces of its predecessors. Yes, the old programming languages, the elegant ones that preceded them, the tools that were used even to bare them; they are the most efficient; they are the most convenient. Developing a product in one of those languages is concisely expressing its flow, but developing in the click and point interfaces of Clickteam is applying cheat codes to a poorly framed game. When inventing in MMF, you are exploiting it. You are causing it to do something that therein is not conveniently done. Are variables not better than alterable values? Yes, they are, as are many things that came before it. Nevertheless, I have abandoned it not for this reason, but because of how rude its community was to me.

 
n/a

W3R3W00F

Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho

Registered
  08/11/2008
Points
  370

VIP MemberCardboard BoxThe Cake is a Lie
21st March, 2010 at 04:31:11 -

..........Huh? o_O

 
n/a

Rikus

Administrator
Crazy for News

Registered
  02/12/2001
Points
  980502
21st March, 2010 at 06:02:42 -

"I have abandoned it not for this reason, but because of how rude its community was to me. "

I don't think I have ever seen you here on this site David, that or you were using a different name? Also the community has been very open and cool recently to folks looking for guidence or questions. Just take a look at the code-it sections.

 
Be sure to follow us on the twitters for the latest and greatest: @dailyclick

Ricky

loves Left For Dead 2

Registered
  28/12/2006
Points
  4175

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberWii OwnerHero of TimeGOTM Winner! - November 2009I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 06:06:19 -

rude to you? I never even heard of you

 
-

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 07:33:54 -

I was here once several years ago, but my immaturity made me somewhat of an outlaw in the community. I had hoped then that one day I would be welcomed again, and given the chance to behave myself appropriately here. I don't suppose anyone knowing who I am would be willing to give me another chance. But I have definitely matured. Rikus, you seem kind enough. Are you willing to give me that chance? I will appreciate it, and I will prove it through my conduct.

Edited by Guido

 
n/a

Rikus

Administrator
Crazy for News

Registered
  02/12/2001
Points
  980502
21st March, 2010 at 07:58:55 -

Im sure everyone here would be cool. Really if you show respect you will get it back.

 
Be sure to follow us on the twitters for the latest and greatest: @dailyclick

OMC

What a goofball

Registered
  21/05/2007
Points
  3516

KlikCast Musician! Guy with a HatSomewhat CrazyARGH SignLikes TDCHas Donated, Thank You!Retired Admin
21st March, 2010 at 11:11:03 -

All that for one sentence? We will welcome you back, easily!

 

  		
  		

W3R3W00F

Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho

Registered
  08/11/2008
Points
  370

VIP MemberCardboard BoxThe Cake is a Lie
21st March, 2010 at 12:22:59 -

Oh, ok. I thought you'd never even been on here and the community was rude to you. Welcome back then, dude!

 
n/a

Marko

I like you You like you

Registered
  08/05/2008
Points
  2804

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP Member360 OwnerDos Rules!Happy FellahCrazy EvilI am an April FoolGingerbread House
21st March, 2010 at 13:19:35 -

Don't think i was around when you were last here - how's it hanging?

 
Image

Subliminal Dreams. . ., daily gaming news and the home of Mooneyman Studios!
www.mooneyman-studios.webs.com

Codemonkey

Always Serious

Registered
  06/11/2007
Points
  164

Code MonkeyKlikCast StarVIP MemberAttention GetterWii Owner360 OwnerThe Cake is a LieCardboard BoxHero of TimeI'm a Storm Trooper
I'm on a BoatIt's-a me, Mario!PS3 OwnerSonic SpeedGOTM - SEPTEMBER 2009 - WINNER!Evil klikerPokemon Ball!I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 13:22:03 -

You seem rather over-dramatic David.

 
You can log off any time you like, but you can't ever leave.

Fordom

Nordanrikets konung

Registered
  12/02/2009
Points
  190

VIP Member
21st March, 2010 at 14:01:23 -

Welcome back

 
This forum is full of trolls and disinfo agents.

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 17:09:04 -

My name is not David, but I'm afraid that if say my real name some that knew me will be alarmed. If you can focus on my change of attitude in the community now, and disregard my past, I will feel free to tell you my name. Do I have that guarantee?

 
n/a

Codemonkey

Always Serious

Registered
  06/11/2007
Points
  164

Code MonkeyKlikCast StarVIP MemberAttention GetterWii Owner360 OwnerThe Cake is a LieCardboard BoxHero of TimeI'm a Storm Trooper
I'm on a BoatIt's-a me, Mario!PS3 OwnerSonic SpeedGOTM - SEPTEMBER 2009 - WINNER!Evil klikerPokemon Ball!I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 18:00:46 -

If it's Phizzy keep it to yourself.

 
You can log off any time you like, but you can't ever leave.

Sketchy

Cornwall UK

Registered
  06/11/2004
Points
  1970

VIP MemberWeekly Picture Me This Round 43 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 47 WinnerPicture Me This Round 49 Winner!
21st March, 2010 at 18:01:05 -

It's Phizzy!
...although probably not.

EDIT: Hey, you posted that while I was typing

Edited by Sketchy

 
n/a

Ricky

loves Left For Dead 2

Registered
  28/12/2006
Points
  4175

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberWii OwnerHero of TimeGOTM Winner! - November 2009I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 18:02:57 -

I thought it was OMG games. But the ip addresses don't match.

ALSO

Welcome Back Codemonkey!
you disappeared for a while

Edited by Ricky

 
-

markno2



Registered
  06/06/2006
Points
  865

Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberPicture Me This Round 30 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 39 Winner!Kliktober Special Award Tag
21st March, 2010 at 18:10:59 -

There are no pitfalls of point-and-click! It's just as good as using a language that involves typing, but faster (to create).

 
Discarded pizza boxes are an indispensable source of cheese.

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 18:12:25 -

It's not Phizzy. It's Guido.

Edited by Guido

 
n/a

Sketchy

Cornwall UK

Registered
  06/11/2004
Points
  1970

VIP MemberWeekly Picture Me This Round 43 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 47 WinnerPicture Me This Round 49 Winner!
21st March, 2010 at 18:24:28 -

Guido? Never heard of 'em.

 
n/a

Ricky

loves Left For Dead 2

Registered
  28/12/2006
Points
  4175

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberWii OwnerHero of TimeGOTM Winner! - November 2009I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 18:25:10 -

It's this guy
http://www.create-games.com/profile.asp?id=19522

 
-

Codemonkey

Always Serious

Registered
  06/11/2007
Points
  164

Code MonkeyKlikCast StarVIP MemberAttention GetterWii Owner360 OwnerThe Cake is a LieCardboard BoxHero of TimeI'm a Storm Trooper
I'm on a BoatIt's-a me, Mario!PS3 OwnerSonic SpeedGOTM - SEPTEMBER 2009 - WINNER!Evil klikerPokemon Ball!I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 18:25:19 -


Originally Posted by Ricky
I thought it was OMG games. But the ip addresses don't match.

ALSO

Welcome Back Codemonkey!
you disappeared for a while



Haha thanks, I stumbled across a rubiks cube and blacked out for a few months.

 
You can log off any time you like, but you can't ever leave.

Ricky

loves Left For Dead 2

Registered
  28/12/2006
Points
  4175

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberWii OwnerHero of TimeGOTM Winner! - November 2009I am an April Fool
21st March, 2010 at 18:27:52 -

I just noticed, how does a guy who hasn't made any games here:
http://www.create-games.com/profile.asp?id=19522
become an expert on the flaws of MMF2?

 
-

Watermelon876



Registered
  16/04/2009
Points
  27

I am an April FoolVIP Member
21st March, 2010 at 18:31:02 -

Aww, I thought it was Emmet...

 
Awesomeness is Watermelon.
*/l、
゙(゚、 。 7
l、゙ ~ヽ
じしf_, )ノ
This is Koji. Copy and paste Koji to your sig so he can acheive world domination.

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 19:28:52 -

I actually did create a few games in Multimedia Fusion, but they were not nearly as good as many of the games available here. I also learned several programming languages. Despite everything I've played with, I have not mastered anything. I do, however, have the common sense to grasp the qualities of each development tool I've used, and to tell which of them is the most adequate. I'm not against using MMF, nor do I want to discourage anyone. I have simply realized the surpassing benefits of programming languages over the click and point approach. But I will tell you this, as the first tool to make it possible for me to create apps and games, Multimedia Fusion had both captivated me and greatly cultivated my brewing passion for becoming a programmer.

Edited by Guido

 
n/a

Marko

I like you You like you

Registered
  08/05/2008
Points
  2804

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP Member360 OwnerDos Rules!Happy FellahCrazy EvilI am an April FoolGingerbread House
21st March, 2010 at 19:36:18 -

Can we see your games please?

(And just to be clear, i'm not going to take the p*ss out of them - i just wanna play games, maaaaaaan! )

 
Image

Subliminal Dreams. . ., daily gaming news and the home of Mooneyman Studios!
www.mooneyman-studios.webs.com

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
21st March, 2010 at 19:42:00 -

I don't have them anymore. They were on an old computer. I think I might get back to it though. But I'll have to get the latest version of MMF. The last one I had was 1.5.

Edited by Guido

 
n/a

Marko

I like you You like you

Registered
  08/05/2008
Points
  2804

Has Donated, Thank You!Game of the Week WinnerVIP Member360 OwnerDos Rules!Happy FellahCrazy EvilI am an April FoolGingerbread House
21st March, 2010 at 19:56:52 -

You should do, defo What were your games about and how did they play, BTW?

 
Image

Subliminal Dreams. . ., daily gaming news and the home of Mooneyman Studios!
www.mooneyman-studios.webs.com

Matt Boothman

The Nissan Micra of forum members

Registered
  20/09/2002
Points
  109

Game of the Week Winner
21st March, 2010 at 20:25:30 -

You've definitely matured, whoever you are, your first post resembles a paragraph from an 80s computer science textbook.

Personally I take it as proof that the community is dying.

 
http://soundcloud.com/normbo - Listen to my music.

Johnny Look

One Happy Dude

Registered
  14/05/2006
Points
  2942

VIP Member
21st March, 2010 at 23:49:10 -

who gives a crap how you were 6 years ago, I'm sure you've grown up a lot since then.
Nobody's born a pro, don't be afraid to show your creations. Some newcomers show their stuff and 99% of the time they get constructive criticism.

oh and welcome btw

 
n/a

nim



Registered
  17/05/2002
Points
  7233
22nd March, 2010 at 02:36:12 -

This thread is a waste of time.
You don't need to be given permission to come back to the community. Stop worrying about being accepted and just make games.

Anyway, welcome back.

 
//

Muz



Registered
  14/02/2002
Points
  6499

VIP MemberI'm on a BoatI am an April FoolHonored Admin Alumnus
22nd March, 2010 at 09:15:48 -

Klik is like an ultra high-level language, so high that transcends language itself. It is communication to your computer without language! Just pictures. But well, like with all high-level languages, you do a lot more per line, but have a lot less control. Basically, you get more done as a programmer, but it's more inefficient hardware-wise.

Also, the Lua extension overcomes most of the huge problems that come with MMF. Reading 1000 lines of code is easier than reading 200 events. Lua solves that. Also lets you make functions, use variables, etc.


BTW, I think most of the game making communities are rude. TDC's mellowed down a bit since the elitists left, but I still avoid TIGSource and the Game Maker communities. It was worse, not so bad now.

 
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.

Image

UrbanMonk

BRING BACK MITCH

Registered
  07/07/2008
Points
  49566

Has Donated, Thank You!Little Pirate!ARGH SignKliktober Special Award TagPicture Me This Round 33 Winner!The Outlaw!VIP MemberHasslevania 2!I am an April FoolKitty
Picture Me This Round 32 Winner!Picture Me This Round 42 Winner!Picture Me This Round 44 Winner!Picture Me This Round 53 Winner!
22nd March, 2010 at 14:39:59 -

Guido, even if no one else ever loves you, I'll still be here for you!

Actually I don't remember you, but welcome back anyways.

 
n/a

Xgoff



Registered
  22/02/2009
Points
  135
22nd March, 2010 at 20:16:10 -


Originally Posted by Muz
Klik is like an ultra high-level language, so high that transcends language itself. It is communication to your computer without language! Just pictures. But well, like with all high-level languages, you do a lot more per line, but have a lot less control. Basically, you get more done as a programmer, but it's more inefficient hardware-wise.

Also, the Lua extension overcomes most of the huge problems that come with MMF. Reading 1000 lines of code is easier than reading 200 events. Lua solves that. Also lets you make functions, use variables, etc.


BTW, I think most of the game making communities are rude. TDC's mellowed down a bit since the elitists left, but I still avoid TIGSource and the Game Maker communities. It was worse, not so bad now.


that_post:gsub("Lua extension", "XLua extension")

there isn't really inherently wrong with the idea of visually-based programming languages (others exist), but the way it's implemented in mmf etc. isn't close to perfect (workarounds workarounds workarounds ARGH)

the expression editor gives you a fair amount of exposure to a textual language, so once you get past the "launch an object" and "facing a direction" type of actions you're basically scripting. the problem is that it's missing some nice things and other things are not so nice to implement compared to other languages (again, workarounds)

 
Image

Muz



Registered
  14/02/2002
Points
  6499

VIP MemberI'm on a BoatI am an April FoolHonored Admin Alumnus
23rd March, 2010 at 03:47:52 -

lol, yeah, XLua.

Also, I agree about the workarounds. Some people claim you can do anything with MMF with enough effort, but after a while you start having to duct-tape everything together. It's sort of like building a house with Lego.. it's really, really fast at first, but after a certain size, you just have to patch everything together, that it's easier to put bricks under your Lego.

 
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.

Image

Retired Kliker Lazarus

The Ed Wood JR of TDC

Registered
  18/07/2003
Points
  7363
23rd March, 2010 at 05:15:05 -

Aw, fuck. Thought it was Nuklear or Evil Kitty.

I'm sure you'll be able to make yourself quite comfortable here, new old person. My games still suck, and I've been here since 2002.

 
Fine Garbage since 2003.
CURRENT PROJECT:
-Paying off a massive amount of debt in college loans.
-Working in television.

nim



Registered
  17/05/2002
Points
  7233
23rd March, 2010 at 07:26:04 -

I was hoping it would be Phizzy or axel.

 
//

GamesterXIII



Registered
  04/12/2008
Points
  1110

I am an April Fool
23rd March, 2010 at 12:34:16 -

Guido huh?

I already don't like you.

 
n/a

Guido



Registered
  21/03/2010
Points
  7
27th March, 2010 at 21:22:59 -

"You've definitely matured, whoever you are, your first post resembles a paragraph from an 80s computer science textbook.

Personally I take it as proof that the community is dying"

What do you mean?

The community has thrived ever since its members joined to share their creations. And although many of them have lost their passion to create games, or to create them the way the members of this community create them, new members frequently join out of a fresh desire. And though they leave, even others will join. So I do not agree that the community is dying or that it will die, unless revolutionary new products or ideas prove far better and more convenient than Clickteam's products, and believing this we all abandon the old products completely for products we deem superior. In that case, the community will die. But too many of us love the products that we use, and we prefer to use them over anything else. Since we keep our passion for them, I am sure that for every member who leaves the community or abandons the fun we have in making games, Clickteam's products will captivate yet another user, and they will become a member of the Daily Click. So the community is not dying; it is merely shifting generations.

 
n/a

Dogzer



Registered
  07/02/2011
Points
  1029
30th March, 2010 at 16:02:49 -

Yeah, what's with the click'n'drag bashing huh?

Coding a game in a visual manner gives you far less headaches than typing hundreds of lines of code. Also it requires a much shorter learning curve. But more importantly it requires much less time to create a casual game.

Sure, game makers usualy come with a cost of performance, but using just lines of code wont save you from building a badly programmed game, you can make a very efficient game without the need of getting into hardcore programming.

SO SCREW YOU MAN!!! lol just kidding, if you enjoy game making, there's nothing that should stop you from doing it, even if community dudes (like circy) try to keep you down'n'shit.

 
n/a

The Chris Street

Administrator
Unspeakably Lazy Admin

Registered
  14/05/2002
Points
  48487

Game of the Week WinnerClickzine StaffAcoders MemberKlikCast StarVIP MemberPicture Me This Round 35 Winner!Second GOTW AwardYou've Been Circy'd!Picture Me This Round 38 Winner!GOTM December Third Place!!
I am an April FoolKliktober Special Award Tag
31st March, 2010 at 08:36:26 -


Originally Posted by Dogzer
Yeah, what's with the click'n'drag bashing huh?

SO SCREW YOU MAN!!! lol just kidding, if you enjoy game making, there's nothing that should stop you from doing it, even if community dudes (like circy) try to keep you down'n'shit.



WTF? What the hell have I done this time?!!

 
n/a

Dogzer



Registered
  07/02/2011
Points
  1029
31st March, 2010 at 15:58:49 -

I dont remember right now... but when i do, i'll lay off all my ninja skills on you!

 
n/a

Codemonster

Administrator
Klik & Play Expert

Registered
  03/08/2008
Points
  133

I am an April Fool
31st March, 2010 at 19:29:08 -

Well Guido,

Yes and no -- can it be done properly? Yes -- with proper memory referencing and functions you could develop an optimized point & click development system. But whether clickteam does or plans to do this; who knows.

The only problem with point & click development seems to be that the creators usually do not plan what they want to be able to do with the tool from the start, which lead to inefficiencies later on.

 
--
Jesse J
   

Post Reply



 



Advertisement

Worth A Click