Im a bovril man too. You have to be careful though, bovril has a lot of salt content and when it dries, it forms into crystals that easily cut skin like painful papercuts. Now I always look like a mad man opening the bovril jar with a tea towel Useless piece of information for you there.
I'm voting Lib Dem. I would rather Labour was in power than the Conservatives. National Liberal has stocks in the Conservative party. A friend of mine posted a link to his former MP's voting record
Voted very strongly against equal gay rights.
Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
Voted moderately against an investigation into the Iraq war.
Has never voted on laws to stop climate change.
A thing which made me laugh the other day, and made me even more wary of Cameron was when he said on the BBC News, "If you want a more liberal and greener Britain, Conservative is your only choice". It actually made me laugh in disbelief, using two adjectives to describe his plan that are actually names of other political parties - he's basically saying "Oh yeh, sure the Liberals and the Greens have the right ideas, but why not vote for us instead?".
I don't know if any of you are aware of the digital economy bill that was forced through in the washup process? I think it's pretty horrific. My local MP at the time (who is a lib dem) responded to me personally on the matter, and the lib dems voted against it. Labour/Conservative were in favour, I really can't believe how. They aren't even sure it's legal under EU law.
Also in stark contrast, my MP voted:
Voted strongly for equal gay rights.
Voted very strongly against the Iraq war.
Voted very strongly for an investigation into the Iraq war.
Voted very strongly for laws to stop climate change.
Another point I don't like about the Conservatives is that they are offering married couples a £600 tax break. I really don't know where they expect to find all that money from. It makes little sense, an obvious ploy to buy voters.
Originally Posted by Chris Street I think the expenses scandal should be reason enough not to vote for Labour. They lived a luxury lifestyle claiming money which we paid for in tax!
Ahem. They all did Chris. The worse thing about that scandal was that there wasn't a clear winner.
Great debate tonight I thought. Amazing how lucidly and correctly they all can talk, almost without breathing.
Clegg widely acclaimed the winner, though I thought he started brilliantly and faded. Cameron fairly lightweight throughout, Brown typically strong and uncommunicative (my Dad basically).
I don't see how you gave Cameron a thumbs up on expenses - I thought that was Clegg's decisive victory, the bit where he stated that both parties were claiming to 'clean up politics', but both had actually blocked the LibDem proposal to do that. I thought the distance he put between himself and the other two was the real reason he 'won' in most people's eyes. Of course that's my own opinions.
Cameron had the best finishing speech though, Cleggy's was very weak, almost a repeat of his opener.
I liked the Lib Dem's idea of a 10% tax on bank profits. The tax payer owns a large portion of a number of banks so it only makes sense that we should see a return on that investment to help pay off our debts. Well done lib dems. I should also mention that I was poorly informed of the conservatives plan to introduce a £600 tax break for married couples. It's a tax break for 1/3 hand picked married couples supposedly. Also when I said anything but conservative, of course I only mean that with respect to the 3 main parties... wouldn't want to advocate the bnp lol
Originally Posted by Matt Boothman I don't see how you gave Cameron a thumbs up on expenses - I thought that was Clegg's decisive victory, the bit where he stated that both parties were claiming to 'clean up politics', but both had actually blocked the LibDem proposal to do that. I thought the distance he put between himself and the other two was the real reason he 'won' in most people's eyes. Of course that's my own opinions.
Cameron had the best finishing speech though, Cleggy's was very weak, almost a repeat of his opener.
Sorry, I didn't mean just expenses, but everything that was discussed in that section of the debate (ie. anything to do with the political system in general). The LibDems don't really have a policy at all, except to make it possible to sack MPs.
Personally, I think the whole expenses "scandal" was a non-event anyway. I mean, surely we all knew politicians are greedy & corrupt - how did that come as a surprise to anyone?
I don't pay much attention to opening/closing speeches - it's just airy-fairy nonsense - nothing to do with actual policy.
Anyway, hopefully they'll discuss some more relevant topics in future debates...
Originally Posted by Matt Boothman I don't see how you gave Cameron a thumbs up on expenses - I thought that was Clegg's decisive victory, the bit where he stated that both parties were claiming to 'clean up politics', but both had actually blocked the LibDem proposal to do that. I thought the distance he put between himself and the other two was the real reason he 'won' in most people's eyes. Of course that's my own opinions.
Cameron had the best finishing speech though, Cleggy's was very weak, almost a repeat of his opener.
Sorry, I didn't mean just expenses, but everything that was discussed in that section of the debate (ie. anything to do with the political system in general). The LibDems don't really have a policy at all, except to make it possible to sack MPs.
Personally, I think the whole expenses "scandal" was a non-event anyway. I mean, surely we all knew politicians are greedy & corrupt - how did that come as a surprise to anyone?
I don't pay much attention to opening/closing speeches - it's just airy-fairy nonsense - nothing to do with actual policy.
Anyway, hopefully they'll discuss some more relevant topics in future debates...
That is one area where the LibDem policies are actually fairly clear - an elected House of Lords, the ability to sack MPs for misconduct, a reduction of 150 in the number of MPs, and an introduction of a fairer voting system (ie proportional representation) - maybe hard to get across all of that in the time span. The Conservatives have historically (and recently too) been opposed to all these things.
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Useless piece of information for you there. 
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