I don't understand why people are so uptight about their people's culture, beliefs and way of life. Is there a reason to make a noise about how great your people are? I get the feeling it works against race relations in the long run.
I'm fine with all of you guys so don't put up a wall of 'pride' ready to pounce on anyone and everyone. Actually get over yourselves, we are ALL different and we can all get along, don't make it an issue and then it wont be one.
It's not our pride we want to address, more the fact we have to tread on eggshells in our on country over stuff that some Muslims might find offensive. In my opinion, they need to get over themselves!
Originally Posted by AndyUK I don't understand why people are so uptight about their people's culture, beliefs and way of life. Is there a reason to make a noise about how great your people are? I get the feeling it works against race relations in the long run.
I'm fine with all of you guys so don't put up a wall of 'pride' ready to pounce on anyone and everyone. Actually get over yourselves, we are ALL different and we can all get along, don't make it an issue and then it wont be one.
You're completely missing the point.
It's to do with the fact that a foreign culture has moved to the country, and petty idiots have the power to change the traditional ways of that country, to suit a culture that primarily wasn't established in there in the first place. It shouldn't be like that...it should be the other way round.
It's common sense and should follow the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"
"Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims"
Now I'm really ticked off. I didn't realize how bad it is in the UK, and this will probably happen in the U.S. too. So we can't teach history becuase it offends people? That's ridiculous.
btw if any of you guys are ever in Washington D.C. , I recommend you go to the holocaust museum. It's really educational and how the Jews were treated and how the concentration camps worked.
Originally Posted by Ricky "Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims"
Now I'm really ticked off. I didn't realize how bad it is in the UK, and this will probably happen in the U.S. too. So we can't teach history becuase it offends people? That's ridiculous.
btw if any of you guys are ever in Washington D.C. , I recommend you go to the holocaust museum. It's really educational and how the Jews were treated and how the concentration camps worked.
That is really horrible. If we do not teach history, it will surely be repeated. Not all Muslims are homicidal jerks either. I have a close friend who's Muslim and he wouldn't hurt anybody. He was obviously also pissed off and sad when our class visited the Holocaust museum. About the Crusades differing from teachings at local mosques: Everybody involved in a historical event will see it differently. It would be helpful to those students if they learned it from a different point of view.
I think those teachers need to have some guts.
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I used to be quite the Muslim apologist a few years ago - but the more I see the more I begin to question. It's all okay saying 'most Muslim people are completely fine', but there is a definite element within their community (and yes, I know it's bad to class a religion as a community) that won't accept criticism, and there isn't enough being done by the 'mostly fine Muslim people' to stop it. Where is the outrage from Muslim people who thing that free speech and fair criticism rises above religious belief?
You hear some pretty raw stuff on TV today about Catholicism, mostly paedophile stuff, same as you hear pretty rough jokes about Jewish people, black people yada yada yada - I think most, while obviously not condoning it, can differentiate comedy from comment; imagine if the butts of these jokes were the Mosque leaders?
Ricky I agree with you... Just because some group of people is threatening us doesnt mean we should destroy freedom of speech... Also I'm curious... I saw the entire episodes a couple times and was Muhammad supposed to be censored? I know the word Muhammad wasn't but how bout him? Also "Sexual Harassment Pan-da"
I had no idea they were still making new episodes of South Park.
How come there haven't been any on UK terrestrial/freeview channels for years?
My personal opinion on all this stuff, is that almost anything can be seen as offensive if you choose to interpret it a particular way - you just have to look at how the person saying/doing something, meant for it to be interpreted.
South Park is obviously intended to be comedy, not some kind of anti-muslim propaganda, and should be viewed as such - ie. Not taken seriously.
What really annoys me, is the people who take offense at things, just because they feel they ought to be offended, without actually being able to explain why that is.
My roomate is a Muslim and he laughed out loud at all the controversial SP episodes. Personally, I don't think most Muslims really care about South Park doing it. They were pissed about the comics before, because of the mentality behind it. South Park annoys everyone, those comics did it purely to offend Muslims and then giving BS about "we love our freedom of speech, we can offend whoever the hell we like".
Anyway, that one about that Muslim kid being accused for terrorism got free. I find the whole issue a little funny, TBH. I take this as a big practical joke from the Muslim community on Comedy Central, and I'm finding the irony funnier than whatever the cartoons would've been about. I don't think the death threats are all that serious, no more than those death threats against Wikipedia.
I guess if it's southpark being crazily controversial like usual then there's a little bit of reasoning, but things like:
Heh, if you did that in Australia with the Australian flag, a lot of them don't get so pissed off. They just get a little disappointed.
I don't think Muslims really mind a lot of things, they just act like it too act good. Sort of like those drunk pedophiles who become priests. Depiction of Muhammad is a pretty damn horrible thing. There's a reason why Muslims invented a new form of architecture that only depicts shapes and symbols. It's possibly the most offensive thing you could ever draw, even more so than well.. building a statue of a giant penis and pointing it to a country. I'd expect it to go fine in something like South Park, but the people opposing it are the same conservative hypocrites who can't appreciate a rough joke.
Personally, I think if they had let the joke through without announcing in the media that they were worried about it, none of those conservatives would even know about it, and the more liberal Muslims would be laughing at it.
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Originally Posted by Watermelon876 Oh, Muslims aren't allowed to depict Muhhamud because that would be worshipping the man rather than God. Or something similar.
Sort of. The Qur'an doesn't mention it, but it's Muslim tradition that prophets, such as Muhammad, shouldn't be depicted for they might be worshipped instead of God. False idolatry is frowned upon in religions other than Islam too, so it's not a Muslim-specific thing. It should be pointed out that depictions of Muhammad do exist, like being sculpted on the U.S. Supreme Court, among other examples.
South Park was censored because when Muhammad was depicted a few years ago, there was rioting and violence. If you were Comedy Central, what would you do: Allow South Park to depict Muhammad and possibly incite riots; or censor it and take some flak about censoring it? It's a simple choice, really: Artistic freedom that puts people in danger, or censorship with no one getting hurt. Don't give Comedy Central shit about doing the responsible thing.
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Is it really the responsible thing though? It sets a president that if you don't want something to happen you can just threaten to kill the people doing it and it will stop. Also, this might cause hatred to peaceful Muslims who had no part in this.
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I had no idea they were still making new episodes of South Park.
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