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Fanotherpg
I'm living proof
Registered
26/06/2004
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522
         
 
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5th January, 2011 at 21:09:58 -
Pff, funny situation guys  GM has got already iOS exporter on the way is Android and PSP probably also MeeBoo but already someone menage to get the decompiler for iOS  But their exporters are working on that way that only Yoyo Games has got access to them, so you can publish games only by them more precisely they are choosing what they want to publish.
So what Yoyo Games is doing? Trying to scare them away with legal lawsuit...
But hey isn't GM games decompiler since version 5 and they didn't care for it? Haven't community asked them for help, and after their refuses they just hacked and cracked GM by themselves to secure their creations?
BTW my personal comment:
Oh Also I just Love how Yoyo Games is talking about law where they were breaking it by themselves and they even didn’t hide with it. Proof? Just on the Glog itself:
http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=762 – 10/03/10 Yoyo Game States that it’s working for PSP port since last year (2009)
http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=1064 – 20/05/10 Yoyo Game proudly announces that they received their OFFICIAL Sony Devkit earlier last week.
So there is about half year differences between doing PSP runtime (which works on PSP) and getting LEGAL Licence and LEGAL Devkit to LEGALLY do their stuff. Isn’t it funny that they know are treating others like someone worst because he is better than them and can do reverse engineering?
Oh and don’t forget one thing – UK behalf like a dog when US tells UK to jump you are asking how high, and other way around it that you can be only kicked through the doors, if you don’t get allusion I will be more precise.
If US wants someone to be extradited (and RE-ing for such small company as Yoyo Games LTD wouldn’t be even the case) it is extradited, but if UK wants someone, they can only wish about getting him from US, lastly it’s slowly changing but still UK lawsuits are in the backyard.
//End of my personal comment//
So to sum up, whatever you think or read that I disagree with Clickteam, with their politics or ways they go... Or even hear by yourself or from anyone else believe me that I appreciate how they are trying to improve their contact with community, how it was strong from beginning, how they are making our dreams true at the same time allowing us to be ourselves and giving their tools done for us to our hands, sooner or later and always trying to make them up to date with no mistakes always fully legally.
So yeah, thanks CT for everything, and now GM community starts to rage Yoyo Games
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HorrendousGames
Sourpuss
Registered
31/10/2009
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481
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5th January, 2011 at 22:59:58 -
Oh the irony. Perhaps they feel that taking from a large company is okay, but from smaller companies it's a crime against humanity. Either way who cares? Just figure out a way to make your program more difficult to crack, or cut your losses. I think someone else on here made a good point, if you make something that someone is willing to crack, you're on the right track. Personally, I would rather someone get a cracked version of something I make and use their money for more important things (like food or rent), but that's probably not a popular opinion, and I can't force anyone to think like me, and of course I would like it if they we're to support me when they have the extra money to help out.
But anyways, the moral of the story is to not stick your foot in your mouth, kids. If you're going to do something that is technically illegal, cover your damn tracks.
OFFTOPIC: Everytime I see your name I have to try to figure out what exactly it is. Is it "Fano the RPG" "Fan other pg" "Fanothe RPG" or what? That and how come I won a GOTW but I never got a fancy trophy like yours? Gripe complain whine.
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OMC
What a goofball
Registered
21/05/2007
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5th January, 2011 at 23:26:47 -
I don't think it's illegal to code for the PSP without a licensed Sony devkit, as long as you're not using a Sony devkit. I hardly have authority on the matter though.
Originally Posted by HorrendousGames
I would rather someone get a cracked version of something I make and use their money for more important things (like food or rent)
I don't want to get into a huge exploding discussion of piracy... but remember that the people who make these products sell them to make money for... food and rent. 
By the way, fixed the trophy issue.  You're supposed to bug us when things like that (don't) happen. 
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Jon Lambert
Administrator
Vaporware Master
Registered
19/12/2004
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5th January, 2011 at 23:30:22 -
Originally Posted by HorrendousGames
OFFTOPIC: Everytime I see your name I have to try to figure out what exactly it is. Is it "Fano the RPG" "Fan other pg" "Fanothe RPG" or what? That and how come I won a GOTW but I never got a fancy trophy like yours? Gripe complain whine.
Don't know about the second, but I always thought his name was "F anotheRPG" like "F Another RPG".
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Jon C-B
I create vaporware
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6th January, 2011 at 00:02:24 -
i thought it was fan other rpg
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Fanotherpg
I'm living proof
Registered
26/06/2004
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522
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6th January, 2011 at 00:17:20 -
It's different story But all of you are close but not close enough.
And about piracy the thing is Coding for PSP is OK, but they where showing working version on PSP without original Devkit what means that they were running it on hacked PSP
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Cecilectomy
noPE
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19/03/2005
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6th January, 2011 at 00:28:14 -
fano, hacking cfw onto a psp or running homebrew code on a hacked psp is not illegal in the slightest. its using the hacked psp to run pirated software that is illegal.
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UrbanMonk
BRING BACK MITCH
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6th January, 2011 at 00:37:11 -
You can also run Homebrew by using a HEN, the latest supports all psp firewares including the pspgo.
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Phredreeke
Don't listen to this idiot
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6th January, 2011 at 01:23:10 -
Umm... This is silly. The damage is already done, a lawsuit wont remove the "decompiler" from existance. After reading a bit (hadn't heard of a decompiler before) it seems like it has been around for a long time and YoYo Games just been too lazy to actually implement some sort of protection.
Edited by Phredreeke
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Make some more box arts damnit!
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Fanotherpg
I'm living proof
Registered
26/06/2004
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6th January, 2011 at 15:11:39 -
Pirating software is illegal, as well as using illegal stuff is illegal. So to get homebrew stuff on PSP you have to hack (flash) PSP OS which is illegal (not OK with Sony Agreement) and we can add to it that they use that presentation (running on hacked PSP) to make a hype around PSP exporter which increases sale, which is illegal procedure - using hacked software to get revenue from it.
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GamesterXIII
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04/12/2008
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1110
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6th January, 2011 at 15:13:27 -
Originally Posted by Robot Cecil
fano, hacking cfw onto a psp or running homebrew code on a hacked psp is not illegal in the slightest. its using the hacked psp to run pirated software that is illegal.
Uhm, yes it is.
Ever heard of the DMCA? There are no exclusions for the PSP, Xbox 360, or the PS3, FYI. Apple devices have a specific exclusion though that allows them to be jailbroken legally.
tl;dr
FACTS 
Edited by GamesterXIII
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OMC
What a goofball
Registered
21/05/2007
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3516
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6th January, 2011 at 15:37:13 -
Sony dislikes CFW because the average Joe can say it's for homebrew but use it for piracy on whim. A company that's showing the work it's done and wants to invest in the platform is different for them. YoYo Games has or is making publishing deals with Sony, so something kept the big cheeses from being angry. It could be that they were working with Sony from the beginning and just took awhile to get a full devkit. And I'm sure Sony gets revenue from digital game sales.
We don't really know if they've broken any laws. But it does seem odd.
Does the UK have its own DMCA?
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Phredreeke
Don't listen to this idiot
Registered
03/08/2002
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4504
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6th January, 2011 at 17:30:02 -
EULA is not law. DMCA only applies in USA.
CFW is... in a gray area. I think that if you don't distribute the actually firmware, only a patcher it's legal. If you write the custom firmware with Sony's SDK it's illegal, as the SDK compiles Sony libraries into the code. If you manually reverse engineer it and patch it by hand (ie not using Sony tools) it should be legal as long as you don't distribute the patched version. The optimal way would be to patch the firmware in memory as you load it (the original Xbox Linux softmod worked that way, so does the "Priiloader" for Wii, I have no idea about PSP CFW) similar to how Game Genie patched games with cheat codes in the 90s.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Make some more box arts damnit!
http://create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=285363
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Cecilectomy
noPE
Registered
19/03/2005
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305
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7th January, 2011 at 05:42:00 -
Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Originally Posted by Robot Cecil
fano, hacking cfw onto a psp or running homebrew code on a hacked psp is not illegal in the slightest. its using the hacked psp to run pirated software that is illegal.
Uhm, yes it is.
Ever heard of the DMCA? There are no exclusions for the PSP, Xbox 360, or the PS3, FYI. Apple devices have a specific exclusion though that allows them to be jailbroken legally.
tl;dr
FACTS
the dmca is there to protect the pirating of software. have you even read it?
"It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works"
which is in respect to copyrighted software. homebrew does NOT fall into that category. 
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Ricky
loves Left For Dead 2
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7th January, 2011 at 11:11:11 -
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