Okay so I was born 1986 and i think most useres on the DC are around that age. I personally think we got to grow up in awesome times and i wouldn't change it for anything.
I feel sorry for children who were born in the late 90s or now.
How do you feel about this?
Sure you can claim I'm based because that was my generation but then I know a lot of people who say they would have preceded to be young in the 60s for example (hayo? j/k)
Now look at our stuff we had.
my tv shows were epic and cartoons had morals.
the a-team, MacGyver,alf and other shows still remain to be awesome.
i don't think there have been as many classics as in our generation.
Now lets move to video games and the early 90s. Man look at all the kick ass consoles we had. I still play them.
We also knew a time before there were cell phones or the internet and handhelds were still in black and white.
Ask a kid what that save symbol in word means.
it's a floppy, kiddo.
Man we are getting old but i love the shit we have seen in our life's kids don't even get.
I agree with you in most respects about the 80's and early 90's being a lot better than now, in terms of pop culture. I was born in the late 70's and have seen a lot of what you've seen. It was nice. I'm still a huge fan of the Atari 5200. The most recent console I owned was the N64, and the games I make could all have been created for the Commodore 64.
Of course, I think it's a bit too early to be pining for "the old days," and I firmly believe I didn't really start living until I was 30, but whatever...
Good point about the floppy disk icon - there must actually be plenty of people who use computers, who have never even seen a floppy disk. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes before Microsoft etc change it to something else...
I was born in '82. It was probably a reasonably good time to be a kid (best time for kids TV; had more freedom because paedophiles didn't exist back then?!).
In terms of popular culture though, the '80s were probably the worst decade since about the '50s - '80s music and fashion were horrific, and while there were a few classic movies it certainly wasn't a golden age of cinema.
Unfortunately, the '80s are currently back in fashion, which is especially bad because it means the '90s are going to be next - and I can actually remember the '90s. It's going to make me feel very old...
I can't help think the world has kind of gone to shit since about 1999 - it just seems to be one disaster/war after another, and everyone's scared of everything...
I remember the first Gulf war, and all the bombings in Northern Ireland, but not much else bad. Maybe I just never noticed any of the bad stuff when I was a kid?
In terms of popular culture though, the '80s were probably the worst decade since about the '50s - '80s music and fashion were horrific, and while there were a few classic movies it certainly wasn't a golden age of cinema.
I strongly disagree. The original Indiana Jones Trilogy, Ghostbusters, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, Gremlins, The Goonies were all released in the 80s.
And as for music, Dio, Iron Maiden, Metallica and Slayer all released their best albums in that decade.
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It might just be nostalgia but I also feel that a lot of great ideas were born in the 80's. A lot of the music was absolute mince, but that was the time that electronic music really took off. As for cartoons, TV and movies, I wonder how many of the ones being made now will still be remembered as classics in 30 years.
I was born '84, and IMO the late 80s early 90s was the best times I have witnessed. I also agree with Phred, the 80s film and music was a lot better than what came after it.
All I can remember people liking from primary school was the complete crud like back street boys, take that, spice girls and a whole load of other "musical" abominations. It was this period of time that made me start listening to my Dad's LP collection - thank heavnes I did or I may actually like drum and bass et al today...
I agree with Sketchy on the 1999 thing. Everything seemed to go awry around the millenium.
Another thing I have noticed with younger generations (I often tutor/help undergraduate students) is the increasing lack of will power to figure things out for themselves. They will just resort to google, without even having a go at figuring something out, which I guess is good and bad. I just find it worrying that they believe anything the net (usually wikipedia) tells them...
Originally Posted by Sketchy Good point about the floppy disk icon - there must actually be plenty of people who use computers, who have never even seen a floppy disk. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes before Microsoft etc change it to something else...
I hope they never change that icon, it holds a lot of sentimental value.
What would you change it to? Back then, you would save documents to either the harddrive or a floppy. Now the idea of saving is much more abstract, you'll most likely save it to either a network drive, harddrive or USB drive. I suppose the floppy has moved on to symbolize storage.
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I was born in 1983 but I never really connected to the rest of the world much till 2001 or so. I grew up in a real rural area (built my current house there as well) and was kind of cut off from the outside world for years. I actually spent most of the eighties on wooden shoes (no joke!) which my country is known for. I didn't watch tv, stayed away from videogames till 1995 and my best friends were about the same. My grandad once took me to the city of Rotterdam in 1987 or so, which forever set my view on the eighties in stone.
I went to study in the city in 2001 and for the first time in my life encountered things like "mainstream", christian people and fashion. I didn't like it.
The one thing that did get through to me was music. I was a Nirvana "fan" at 11 and remember being sad about Kurt Cobains death. After that I jumped to the music from the sixties and seventies and I still believe those were the most interesting times. As far as games go, for me (after a lot of catching up of course) 1988-1998 is the golden decade of videogames.
In terms of popular culture though, the '80s were probably the worst decade since about the '50s - '80s music and fashion were horrific, and while there were a few classic movies it certainly wasn't a golden age of cinema.
I strongly disagree. The original Indiana Jones Trilogy, Ghostbusters, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, Gremlins, The Goonies were all released in the 80s.
And as for music, Dio, Iron Maiden, Metallica and Slayer all released their best albums in that decade.
i agree with Phredreeke. there have been so many epic 80s movies.
80s movies arent god? seriously cut me some slack. here is a bunch of stuff which I say are GOOD movies.
some stuff is just simply copy and paste from some list I found on the net where I removed the movies I personally do NOt like
and i also add some stuff myself aka:
Big Trouble in Little China
Beverly FUCKING Hills Cop - seriously how epic
The Running Man (film), a 1987 feature film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, based on Stephen King's novel (oh yeh)
The Goonies
Conan the Barbarian/Conan the Destroyer
Commando - HELL YEH!
Predator - even better
Sixteen Candles (no more yanky my wanky)
Bettlejuice
1. Raging Bull - (1980, Martin Scorsese) (Robert DeNiro, Joe Pesci)
2. E.T. The Extra Terrestrial - (1982, Steven Spielberg) (Henry Thomas, Dee Wallace)
3. Raiders of the Lost Ark - (1981, Steven Spielberg) (Harrison Ford, Paul Freeman)
5. Platoon - (1986, Oliver Stone) (Tom Berenger, Willem Dafoe, Charlie Sheen)
7. Once Upon a Time in America - (1984, Sergio Leone) (Robert DeNiro, James Woods)
8. Blade Runner - (1982, Ridley Scott) (Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer)
12. The Empire Strikes Back - (1980, Irvin Kershner) (Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford)
14. The Shining - (1980, Stanley Kubrick) (Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall)
15. Full Metal Jacket - (1987, Stanley Kubrick) (Mathew Modine, Adam Baldwin)
16. Brazil - (1985, Terry Gilliam) (Jonathan Pryce, Robert DeNiro)
18. Das Boot - (1981, Wolfgang Peterson) (Jurgen Prochnow, Herbert Gronemeyer)
19. Tootsie - (1982, Sydney Pollack) (Dustin Hoffman, Jessica Lange)
20. The Untouchables - (1987, Brian De Palma) (Kevin Costner, Sean Connery)
21. The Terminator - (1984, James Cameron) (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton)
22. Die Hard - (1988, John McTiernan) (Bruce Willis, Alan Rickman)
23. The Last Emperor - (1987, Bernardo Bertolucci) (John Lone, Joan Chen)
29. Scarface - (1983, Brian De Palma) (Al Pacino, Steven Bauer)
30. A Christmas Story - (1983, Bob Clark) (Peter Billingsley, Melinda Dillon)
31. Poltergeist - (1982, Tobe Hooper) (Craig T. Nelson, JoBeth Williams)
32. Terms of Endearment - (1983, James L. Brooks) (Debra Winger, Shirley MacLaine)
33. This Is Spinal Tap - (1984, Rob Reiner) (Michael McKean, Christopher Guest)
34. Crimes and Misdemeanors - (1989, Woody Allen) (Woody Allen, Martin Landau)
35. sex, lies, and videotape - (1989, Steven Soderbergh) (James Spader, Andie MacDowell)
36. Back to the Future - (1985, Robert Zemeckis) (Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd)
37. Rain Man - (1988, Barry Levinson) (Dustin Hoffman, Tom Cruise)
38. Ordinary People - (1980, Robert Redford) (Donald Sutherland, Mary Tyler Moore)
39. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - (1988, Robert Zemeckis) (Bob Hoskins, Christopher Lloyd)
48. The Little Mermaid - (1989, Ron Clements, John Musker) (Jodi Benson, Sam Wright)
here are some classics I don't like myself but hey they ARE classics and damn famous- name some other generation that had as many classics
The Karate Kid
Dirty Dancing
Top Gun
68. Return of the Jedi - (1983, Richard Marquand) (Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford)
69. A Nightmare on Elm Street - (1984, Wes Craven) (John Saxon, Robert Englund)
78. Ghostbusters - (1984, Ivan Reitman) (Dan Aykroyd, Bill Murray)
79. The Breakfast Club - (1985, John Hughes) (Judd Nelson, Emilio Estevez)
80. Big - (1988, Penny Marshall) (Tom Hanks, Elizabeth Perkins)
81. Caddyshack - (1980, Harold Ramis) (Chevy Chase, Rodney Dangerfield)
93. Ferris Bueller's Day Off - (1986, John Hughes) (Matthew Broderick, Alan Ruck)
98. Out of Africa - (1985, Sydney Pollack) (Meryl Streep, Robert Redford)
99. Stand By Me - (1986, Rob Reiner) (River Phoenix, Corey Feldman)
100. Lost in America - (1985, Albert Brooks) (Albert Brooks, Julie Hagerty)
So in the least condescending way possible, a great time for kids' movies? I guess being a nascent period for the modern blockbuster has meant a lot of stuff (including some real tripe) is lingeringly iconic.
Originally Posted by Duncan So in the least condescending way possible, a great time for kids' movies? I guess being a nascent period for the modern blockbuster has meant a lot of stuff (including some real tripe) is lingeringly iconic.
Some masterpieces in that list too, though.
i dont even know what the SWEAR WORD you are saying. can you dumb it down so a continental european can understand it. all those fancy wording just confuses me.
Admittedly, there's a lot of crap on that list too, and there are a fair few classics still missing off both the '80s and '90s lists - but still, '90s cinema was better (cinema since 1999 has been generally poor, but like I said, the whole world has gone to pot since then...)
Wow, yeah...Judging from that list it's clear (to me at least) that the 90's beat the 80's in terms of cinematic quality. Although I have to admit that there were plenty of unforgettable characters created in the 80's, for sure.
I don't think discussing the downward spiral of the world since the end of the 90's in such a fun thread would be fair, although there's plenty of evidence to chat about (perhaps in another thread?).
Stuff from the 80's is a huge inspiration for me. Has anyone here mentioned 'the Dark Crystal' yet? It's probably my favorite movie of all time...
I was born in '88, so I'm glad I was brought up on the greatness of the 80's. Some 90's stuff weaseled its way in, though, but I can't pick anything out specifically - except games! Tyrian...
Edit: Seeing that list of greatest 90's movies jogged my memory. Lots of awesome stuff in there. I guess I take the 90's for granted!
Reading these posts reminds me why I should feel sorry for these kids who grew up watching at dragonball z and pokemon cartoons. TMNT, Woody Woodpecker and Alf ftw !
Every generation says that the era they grew up in was undoubtedly the best. Look at how the 60s is nostalgically remembered by our parents. I'm sure in twenty years there will be adults who enthusiastically claim that the 00's were the best era. They will rave on about Simon Cowell, Lost, Dr. Who, Harry Potter et al while we look at them in mild pity.
That said, the only music I listen to is computer game music from the 90s and much older 60s-70s music; and then the odd band from the modern era. Absolutely no mainstream music from around 1985-2011 quite does it for me. And modern music on the TV channels is ridiculously dire; do they actually realise you can make songs with more than 4 chords?
Modern games aren't as good as old games though, simply because commercial interests put pressure on the games to be very easy to beat. Games don't get made by one bloke with a good idea anymore, they're made by committee, which is a shame because you end up with compromised ideas.
Originally Posted by Matt Boothman Every generation says that the era they grew up in was undoubtedly the best. Look at how the 60s is nostalgically remembered by our parents. I'm sure in twenty years there will be adults who enthusiastically claim that the 00's were the best era. They will rave on about Simon Cowell, Lost, Dr. Who, Harry Potter et al while we look at them in mild pity.
That said, the only music I listen to is computer game music from the 90s and much older 60s-70s music; and then the odd band from the modern era. Absolutely no mainstream music from around 1985-2011 quite does it for me. And modern music on the TV channels is ridiculously dire; do they actually realise you can make songs with more than 4 chords?
Modern games aren't as good as old games though, simply because commercial interests put pressure on the games to be very easy to beat. Games don't get made by one bloke with a good idea anymore, they're made by committee, which is a shame because you end up with compromised ideas.
I have to say I personally disagree with this. You can not generalize stuff that easily.
For example I sadly know a lot of people who like what's currently considering "hip " and then move on just to like something newer. They wont hold onto old stuff.
I know a lot of people who are exactly my age but they wont look at any 80s stuff and don't really care about 90s stuff either.
they just got into movies in 2000 which makes me go like wtf
I know people above 30 who say they can't watch old movies because of their "bad quality " (we are talking about the Harrison Ford movie here where Dr kimbel gets chased by Tommy Lee Jones. I don't know the English title) .
So yeh while you might claim people defend their generation just luke they might defend their country this isn't true at all.
Just like I've said in my first post I know a lot of going people who "wish it were the 60s" (radio head) even tough they never lived in those days.
Wrestling was a lot better in the '80s. I mean, it was pretty bad even then, but now it's so much worse.
Some of the wrestlers from the '80s are still wrestling today - in their 50s and 60s!
And back then, wrestlers used to have kind of cool themes/gimmicks. Now they have people like Mr Anderson (aka Mr Kennedy), who is just an "asshole" (wears shirts with "asshole" written on; calls the crowd etc assholes) - you wouldn't think it possible, but even wrestling is dumbing down.
Looking at the list of 90s movies I have to admit that there have been way more movies I personally enjoy than in the 80s. And this is coming from me who started this thread. So much about being defensive about your own generation.
@MasterM: In some senses you're right, but in others you're wrong. Hence the endless programmes on television about 80s things, 90s things, things from when you were kids; general nostalgia. Ask your parents what TV programmes they liked as a child and they will most likely reel them off, and surprise themselves at how much they miss them.
I felt the same way about the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon...Until about a year ago when I watched a few of the episodes back-to-back. It's nowhere near as fantastic as I thought it was when I was a kid. It actually polluted my nostalgia. I used to say, "Oh man, I remember that cartoon. I wish I could see it today--it was so cool!" Now, I can say that sure, I watched it as a kid, but I don't exactly miss it. Had it not been a super-affordable bootleg version of the box set, I would have wanted my money back.
Some things are best left to being a childhood memory. Cartoons included.
Now, the Dragon's Lair cartoon...That's a different story. It's definitely held its charm. Same goes for Thundarr the Barbarian.
Originally Posted by Matt Boothman @Sketchy: DAMN!
@MasterM: In some senses you're right, but in others you're wrong. Hence the endless programmes on television about 80s things, 90s things, things from when you were kids; general nostalgia. Ask your parents what TV programmes they liked as a child and they will most likely reel them off, and surprise themselves at how much they miss them.
Tv wasn't invented yet when my parents were children
I liked the 80s and 90s because it felt like people were discovering new things all the time, particularly with computers. Especially during the 90s, a ton of sub-genres within electronic music were discovered.
The crappy thing about growing up then was that the creative tools were primitive compared to the programs going around these days. Now, 12 year old kids are making games with Flashpunk, Unity, Game Maker, MMF2.. the list goes on. I banged my head against the limitations of Mario Paint for about 2 years before we finally got a PC.
Originally Posted by nim Especially during the 90s, a ton of sub-genres within electronic music were discovered.
I saw a TV commercial for a new garage compilation recently. It seemed kind of weird to me that anyone would release a new compilation for a genre of shit music that was only popular for about 2 years, back around 2000-2002.
The problem with technology in music, is that the music becomes very dated. Like in the '80s, everyone was using primitive electronic synths, which might have been cool and new at the time, but now it just sounds shit.
And more recently, we have "autotune" which results in everyone singing in the same pitch-perfect, artificial sounding voice. Again, it was cool at first, but it's already getting very old (can you imagine what it will be like re-watching "Glee" in 10 years time?)
As for game-making, "Klik 'n' Play" came out when I was 12, and was arguably more powerful than MMF2, relative to commercial games of the day. ie. MMF2 is a relatively small improvement over KnP, compared to the difference between CoD and Doom, for example. So, you can't really complain.
Originally Posted by Sketchy The problem with technology in music, is that the music becomes very dated. Like in the '80s, everyone was using primitive electronic synths, which might have been cool and new at the time, but now it just sounds shit.
And more recently, we have "autotune" which results in everyone singing in the same pitch-perfect, artificial sounding voice. Again, it was cool at first, but it's already getting very old (can you imagine what it will be like re-watching "Glee" in 10 years time?)
Yeah, a lot of it sounds terrible now but back then it was nice to be growing up in a time where people were discovering new things all the time. For example, Drum & Bass (whether or not it's your thing) still has a large following. The genre has developed over the years and you can trace its roots back to the 90s when people were dicking around with synths and drum loops. It's possible that people still like garage, although I can't believe it myself.
Now it feels like video games and music are reaching a saturation point, where we're possibly one console generation away from games looking damn near real. And like you said, now we have autotune for vocals so people don't even have to sing in key anymore. Can't help thinking that there's not much room to improve, at least on the technical audio-visual side.
The jump from Mario Paint to K&P was a bigger jump than K&P to MMF2 was I'm not complaining; just saying that kids wanting to get into game creation now have much more choice (including sound editor, music sequencer, graphics package, etc) than we did when we started. It's a good thing!
The way I feel about games getting 'almost real' is that the photograph did not kill the painting. People will appreciate photorealistic games for what they are, but after a while they will become old hat. Game artists will have to become more impressionist.
The same with auto-tune - people after a while will stop being so drawn to pitch-perfect, ultra-produced vocals and will start to appreciate what a real human can do with their voice, even if it is not flawless. Personally I am waiting for this generation's "punk"; surely these kids have had enough of SycoWorld?
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