So how do you pay your bills? How much do you like doing that for a living?
Me personally, I am a career counselor and instructor for a local non-profit organization, and I love every minute of it. I've been doing this work for four years now, and I think I've found the kind of work I was meant to do. Happiness truly is when you write your own job description, and your boss enthusiastically signs off on it.
Are you paid to do what you love? If not, what do you really want to do for a living?
I am a highschool teacher, history and art (and sometimes TGF2). I like teaching, I love my colleagues and I get enough money for it. On the other hand, management and organization of this school is pretty bumpy, which leads to a graduation percentage of around 77% and lots of unhappy teachers. So I guess I love what I should be doing.
I generally enjoy general labor (as opposed to retail), since I'm out of the wheel chair, I work on a small farm (about 5 acres) that is just starting up. The property has been vacant for quite some time, it's to the point where the weeds are the size of small trees. Currently we are simply repairing the fence line before we can bring in the animals(which should be ready to be transferred by next week), which consists of several horses and a mule, about 8 goats and two steers (named 'lunch' and 'dinner'). The property also has tons of hidden treasures in the over, probably a few hundred or a few thousand worth of scrap metal (there's even a small boat just sitting in there, rusting).
I enjoy the work, it's quite rewarding (unlike working in retail). I wouldn't like to stay working in it forever, so hopefully some of these games I'm putting out will sell at least enough to live off of.
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Is that an organic farm perhaps? Or perhaps someone's hobby/retirement farm? I just curious, I figured it would have to be an organic operation to be self efficent, what will all the pointless mass hysteria over GMO crops and such driving their prices down
Anyway, I work on a farm with an agreement with my parents of trading my labor for gas, insurance, and college money. We operate 700 acres(which by modern standards is small to medium in size) we run about 110 head of cows and all the acres not devoted to cattle are for are growing hay, which use to feed the cows and sell excess to local farmers. We currently also own 17 horses, but have owned upwards of 25 in the past. So I guess it's more of a ranch than a farm, but it's a rather low income operation that barely pays for all the family to live on. Luckily my mom is employed for a conservation organization which helps pay for a lot of our needs.
I am going to college in pursuit of an Agricultural Education major and an International Agriculture minor. I am currently still pursueing my associates degree. But in oder to become a high school teacher I will have to bachelors at least. I have decided that my goal in life is to help other people. I plan to do whatever career best helps fulfill that. The Ag. Ed. degree is very broad so I can do a lot more than be a teacher with it. I'm hoping I can find something overseas with the International Ag. minor though, I would love to travel the world. There's so much out there I've never seen and so many people I've never met.
Originally Posted by Wiiman @Horrendous Games
Is that an organic farm perhaps? Or perhaps someone's hobby/retirement farm? I just curious, I figured it would have to be an organic operation to be self efficent, what will all the pointless mass hysteria over GMO crops and such driving their prices down
It's strictly animals for now, he mostly just buys/sells them, that and farm equipment. One event in particular, we drove out to Iowa for a court date (which he didn't even actually have to be there, could thank the lawyer for that one) and on the way back he spied a 2 horse trailer for $350, bought it for $150 and sold it back in Illinois for $1000. Most of his life he's spent taking care of and shoeing horses, most of the horses hes owned have either been given to or bought very cheap from former clients. He gets most of his income working on the larger farms in the area, so I guess you could say it's more of a hobbyist farm than anything as it is now.
They are debating on doing crops, but we still have to get the land ready first.
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I have been working at Rare ltd for a couple of months now, and its a lot of fun. The one downside is that I have no time to work on my own games anymore, but that would be the same with any job I guess.
Many of my collegues are from other parts of the world, and have a lot of experience in the games industry. Its interesting to find out about past places they have worked and where to avoid. The location is lovely too, and the staff are really treated well.
So yes, I guess I am being paid to do what I love, although no one I work with ever talks about pay, its about experience and dedication to the game. If you're only bothered about money you may aswell work in some supermarket job somewhere.
Originally Posted by Wiiman @Horrendous Games
Is that an organic farm perhaps? Or perhaps someone's hobby/retirement farm? I just curious, I figured it would have to be an organic operation to be self efficent, what will all the pointless mass hysteria over GMO crops and such driving their prices down
It's strictly animals for now, he mostly just buys/sells them, that and farm equipment. One event in particular, we drove out to Iowa for a court date (which he didn't even actually have to be there, could thank the lawyer for that one) and on the way back he spied a 2 horse trailer for $350, bought it for $150 and sold it back in Illinois for $1000. Most of his life he's spent taking care of and shoeing horses, most of the horses hes owned have either been given to or bought very cheap from former clients. He gets most of his income working on the larger farms in the area, so I guess you could say it's more of a hobbyist farm than anything as it is now.
They are debating on doing crops, but we still have to get the land ready first.
Ok gotcha
So is this farm in Illinois then I take? If so anychance you could actually say something as to where it's located. I'm living in west central Illinois actually. I might know the owner, a lot of the farmers across the state know each other actually
Originally Posted by Wiiman @Horrendous Games
Is that an organic farm perhaps? Or perhaps someone's hobby/retirement farm? I just curious, I figured it would have to be an organic operation to be self efficent, what will all the pointless mass hysteria over GMO crops and such driving their prices down
It's strictly animals for now, he mostly just buys/sells them, that and farm equipment. One event in particular, we drove out to Iowa for a court date (which he didn't even actually have to be there, could thank the lawyer for that one) and on the way back he spied a 2 horse trailer for $350, bought it for $150 and sold it back in Illinois for $1000. Most of his life he's spent taking care of and shoeing horses, most of the horses hes owned have either been given to or bought very cheap from former clients. He gets most of his income working on the larger farms in the area, so I guess you could say it's more of a hobbyist farm than anything as it is now.
They are debating on doing crops, but we still have to get the land ready first.
Ok gotcha
So is this farm in Illinois then I take? If so anychance you could actually say something as to where it's located. I'm living in west central Illinois actually. I might know the owner, a lot of the farmers across the state know each other actually
It's up in Belvedere, his name is Craig Serotzke. I want to say he's in his late 20s or 30s.
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I'm an SDET at Microsoft (Software Development Engineer in Test; similar to the vanilla development role, except our code is used to test their code). I relocated to the other side of the globe for the job, and so far it has been fantastic. I've learnt a lot and met some really clever people- of course there's some churn here and there (as many jobs have), but overall I find myself really enjoying it. It definitely consumes a lot of time (averaging something like 50 hrs a week), so it's not super easy to find time for making games etc. There's always time for lurking though
I do outdoors right now as no one pays much these days on a country that 60% percent of the people are smokers...
I get a good sum of money every month as a cover-up insurance as others have failed to provide a stable occupation to our residents.
Nothing really wrong actually, I'm just surrounded by losers.
Just been made redundant from my job as a baker. Currently in the process of trying to move to a town which isn't in a twenty year recession, and where the life expectancy isn't ten years lower than the national average.
I don't have a job, and haven't had one for several years now, except ocasionally getting paid for art stuff. Though i am applying for a job today, in like two hours. Wish me luck!
I've taken a year off between college and getting a career to work on my projects, but I'd like to poke my head around some game developers and put that shiny SE degree to good use. But I decided theres one other way to build a resume.
Anyway I'm sure I'll start asking around communities for a nudge in the right direction when the time comes
Surprisingly it's a fairly good step for someone who's into ICT. The work can involve processing large volumes of numbers, finding relationships between them, and getting to the bottom of some fairly complex formulae when it comes to tax. Knowing how to program is a huge advantage, mostly in the case of programming spreadsheets and VBA Macros.
It's also a great life skill to have, and makes you a useful man for your friends to know.
PhD student, about 6 months away from starting to write my thesis .
Sorry to hear about you losing your job Matt. The West Mids is having a bad time too, in fact we have the highest increase of deprivation, 40% according to some governmental report - I will try to find the PDF if your interested. The reason I went back to academia was because all the industries I could have worked in was collapsing, I was an electronic instrumentation designer at a now defunct company.
Originally Posted by Edam I have been working at Rare ltd for a couple of months now, and its a lot of fun. The one downside is that I have no time to work on my own games anymore, but that would be the same with any job I guess.
Many of my collegues are from other parts of the world, and have a lot of experience in the games industry. Its interesting to find out about past places they have worked and where to avoid. The location is lovely too, and the staff are really treated well.
So yes, I guess I am being paid to do what I love, although no one I work with ever talks about pay, its about experience and dedication to the game. If you're only bothered about money you may aswell work in some supermarket job somewhere.
Did you start working there in time to get your name in the credits of the newest Kinect Sports package Rare made? Stadium Events is it?
Very nice, I shall look for your name when I am at my Sister-in-laws house. (Still too cheap to have a 360, nevermind Kinect). I wasn't sure what the lead out time was for you guys. But I forget that I'm old, and that Discs can be pressed like 2 weeks before a game comes out. Before I start on a "back in my day" rant that hagar would no doubt enjoy, I'll stop myself.
Originally Posted by Knudde (Shab) Very nice, I shall look for your name when I am at my Sister-in-laws house. (Still too cheap to have a 360, nevermind Kinect). I wasn't sure what the lead out time was for you guys. But I forget that I'm old, and that Discs can be pressed like 2 weeks before a game comes out. Before I start on a "back in my day" rant that hagar would no doubt enjoy, I'll stop myself.
Congrats Adam!
Thanks I don't have an xbox yet, soon hopefully though
Originally Posted by Knudde (Shab) Very nice, I shall look for your name when I am at my Sister-in-laws house. (Still too cheap to have a 360, nevermind Kinect). I wasn't sure what the lead out time was for you guys. But I forget that I'm old, and that Discs can be pressed like 2 weeks before a game comes out. Before I start on a "back in my day" rant that hagar would no doubt enjoy, I'll stop myself.
Congrats Adam!
You missed the best part. You see, the kids listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin' so they dont know what the jazz is all about! You see? Jazz is like Jello Pudding No! Actually it's more like kodak film. No! Actually Jazz is like the new Coke It will be around forever.
And that my friends is why games was better back in my day.
Originally Posted by Knudde (Shab) Very nice, I shall look for your name when I am at my Sister-in-laws house. (Still too cheap to have a 360, nevermind Kinect). I wasn't sure what the lead out time was for you guys. But I forget that I'm old, and that Discs can be pressed like 2 weeks before a game comes out. Before I start on a "back in my day" rant that hagar would no doubt enjoy, I'll stop myself.
Congrats Adam!
You missed the best part. You see, the kids listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin' so they dont know what the jazz is all about! You see? Jazz is like Jello Pudding No! Actually it's more like kodak film. No! Actually Jazz is like the new Coke It will be around forever.
And that my friends is why games was better back in my day.
This is totally an american joke Adam. Well that and an old man joke.
Isn't you not having an Xbox kinda like sacrilege? Rare is still owned by Microsoft, right? I haven't been keeping up.
Originally Posted by Knudde (Shab) Very nice, I shall look for your name when I am at my Sister-in-laws house. (Still too cheap to have a 360, nevermind Kinect). I wasn't sure what the lead out time was for you guys. But I forget that I'm old, and that Discs can be pressed like 2 weeks before a game comes out. Before I start on a "back in my day" rant that hagar would no doubt enjoy, I'll stop myself.
Congrats Adam!
You missed the best part. You see, the kids listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin' so they dont know what the jazz is all about! You see? Jazz is like Jello Pudding No! Actually it's more like kodak film. No! Actually Jazz is like the new Coke It will be around forever.
And that my friends is why games was better back in my day.
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Originally Posted by Chrisbo I'm an engineering project manager at Boeing...787 program.
Huh, seriously? That's quite an elite job.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Nah, it's not an elite job, I myself turned down the role of engineering project manager at Airbus last week, so I could concentrate on my career as a professional dosser.
Originally Posted by Chrisbo I'm an engineering project manager at Boeing...787 program.
Huh, seriously? That's quite an elite job.
Sounds a little fancier than it actually is, but it's pretty cool though. Get to work with airplanes being built, work with both the design side and manufacturing side, good stuff.
Matt Boothman, I think this means we are mortal enemies.
for a living? i mean ive tried to pitch mmf to my company for the game im working on but we ended up with unity which we have heavily used in the past for other game projects.
I live a life of crime, capitalising on my friends drug addictions and stealing from people who I think deserve it. All the while, trying to be what I believe makes an honest and caring person. To make the world a better place and to undermine and destroy all systems of control and the forces of evil. Fuck every cop. Fuck every boss. Fuck god and may liars burn in hell.
Lol @chris, btw chris i just looked at the website you hosted the menu engine on... is that your band... the background made me lol.
I am a web developer for a company called EntiaMedia in England, I do HTML, PHP, Javascript/JQuery, Mysql, C++, Basic and random over languages if I have to. I'm pretty much a code monkey. Iv'e been doing this for about 6 months now, this would explain why I suddenly stopped having the time to use MMF and come visit TDC. I really wanna get back into it again, but most of the time after I have been coding all day its a struggle to come home from work and code some more. Though, coding with actual languages has made me realise how easy MMF is.
I find that sometimes the best way to learn is when something is needed, and at work, if I don't finish the job on time I fear my job, so I HAVE to learn the most efficient way of doing things. I bet plenty of people would be awesome at MMF if they did it for a job, wow... That would be so awesome...
I'm currently attending college, working on my associates in computer information technology, so i can get a better job doing stuff i'd much rather be doing.
@Zephni
Haha yeah my house mate gave himself FTP privileges to my website and likes to upload subtle alterations to pages and see how long it takes me to find them. It is VERY annoying! Haha thanks for pointing this one out! And yeah that is my band. I was wondering if anybody from The Daily Click would ever find that. If you're interested, we put out a new 3 song EP a few weeks ago. I play guitar and sing and write the songs.
I totally agree the best way to learn something is when you need it. That's how I learned Html, just when I needed to do something for my website. Same with MMF. I really like making example files because it forces me to think how and why I chose that way over an another. Commenting them usually takes me just as long as coding them. I'm not so great at articulating my thought process so it is very good practice.
for a living? i mean ive tried to pitch mmf to my company for the game im working on but we ended up with unity which we have heavily used in the past for other game projects.
Yes. I sell them to small computer magazines. Usually just small things like pacman clones and such.
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I totally agree the best way to learn something is when you need it. That's how I learned Html, just when I needed to do something for my website. Same with MMF. I really like making example files because it forces me to think how and why I chose that way over an another. Commenting them usually takes me just as long as coding them. I'm not so great at articulating my thought process so it is very good practice.
I still havent looked at your songs yet, will do now.
You seem to do things the same way I do, I comment everything out, and make engines or examples rather than full games. Not that I wouldnt want to make a full game, I have tried, but in the end I think "hhmmm, I should make an engine for that so its future proof" or something.
I am working on a full game at the moment. A survival horror side scroller.
The examples I've been posting are things I've figured out and learned from working on this game. It is far from completion but I'm going to post an alpha version soon. Just gotta fix up a few odds and ends.
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