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Chris Burrows
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13th February, 2012 at 12:52:35 -
Wherever the wind takes it.
I was more interested on hearing what people thought about my main character being a real-life current alleged murderer. Deciding whether or not you support the police is a personal choice and arguing about it solves nothing. It's like the choice to stop eating meat. A person will stop when they feel they are ready, and there is nothing anybody can say that will make them. It just happens when it's right for them. Some people get there early, some people never do. Same with the police.
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Chris Burrows
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13th February, 2012 at 13:30:55 -
That said, I love to listen and to learn, and I would love to talk about it.
I believe justice will require abolishing property the way that capitalism recognises it, and the police are the ones who apply violence to maintain capitalist property. Most cops become police officers because they want to help people, and any cop will do some of that during their career. But they will also be there every time to side with the right for developers to own unused property over the right for homeless people to have a roof over their heads, or the right for the supermarket to own food over the right of broke people to eat it, or the right of a corporation to shut down a factory over the right of its workers to occupy it and keep it running to stay in a job, etc.
As cool and awesome as killing cops really is, the real challenge is to establish a means of coexisting that is not based on coercion. A world where we don't have to call the cops when the shit goes down. We must identify all systems of hierarchy (aka control) and construct alternative methods of providing the needs that people today rely on the corporations and governments for and ultimately abolish corporations and governments altogether.
This may be an impossible dream, but the reason to pursue it is not that we may necessarily archive it, but because our individual lives, immediate communities and ultimately our societies will become better to live in.
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Va1entine
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13th February, 2012 at 23:39:26 -
Its a bit risky making game about this man Chris. The story your trying to tell sounds very Rambo (First Blood), why not just base the game off that?
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s-m-r
Slow-Motion Riot
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15th February, 2012 at 15:44:27 -
Chris: Creating games that deal with the subject you're discussing is something I've wrestled with myself. I'm wondering what it will take to deliver a solid platform of one's beliefs without being off-putting or completely foreign. I think this is tough because video games rely so much on conflict to involve the player; the player's actions solve the problem, and players are often asked to solve the problem "the same old way" AKA direct violence. Since violence is already so much a part of western culture, it's familiar and thus dilutes the impact of the message. The message is seen as more of a gimmick or story hook than anything else. It does little to open the player to considering the alternative lifestyle seriously, and in fact obscures it.
I think deliberate use of humor is a way to open the door to new subjects. Making a joke about the situation, or pushing it to the extreme, is a way to harmlessly introduce the 'radical' subject matter to a brand new audience. A gifted writer can plot out a game's storyline with some creative problem solving, or develop an incredibly immersive world, or both. Fail at the approach and one is seen as "ham-fisted" or overwrought.
It's a tough balance, and not an easy one to maneuver in a world dominated by the military and pro-government establishment; this, coupled with the nature of most video games to use violence. I don't have a solid answer.
This is the stuff of a thesis in the making, for sure. 
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UrbanMonk
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17th February, 2012 at 21:22:36 -
I'm glad we have law enforcement, are there bad ones sometimes? Sure.
Some make mistakes, but these mistakes ultimately stem from the fact that society as a whole is becoming more lawless.
I know a few cops personally in my own town, and since they've got to deal with so many morons on a daily basis they start to see everyone as a criminal. It can cause them to overreact in situations of extreme stress. It's a tough job, one I think is underpaid.
There are law enforcement that abuse their power, but for each one of those how many hundreds of others have saved lives and done their job correctly?
I'm not sure why you have the opinion you do Chris, were you bitten by a cop when you were little?
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s-m-r
Slow-Motion Riot
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18th February, 2012 at 15:50:17 -
Originally Posted by . : UrbanMonk : .
I'm glad we have law enforcement, are there bad ones sometimes? Sure.
Some make mistakes, but these mistakes ultimately stem from the fact that society as a whole is becoming more lawless.
[emphasis mine]
I disagree with this sentiment, unless you look at the issue from simply laws being disobeyed. There are many more laws today than there were in past decades or even as recent as a few years ago, so by definition society is becoming more lawless. Otherwise cops would be out of a job.
But that's only one way to approach the issue. An alternative is to view it from the sense that law enforcement has grabbed society's power (through various political processes) and literally disarmed society. Then police state they will "serve and protect," and what has followed is a steady scaling-up of oppressive behaviour and tactics put forth by law enforcement to neuter society. For example, in many communities in the US, handguns are not permitted; to avoid scrapes with the law, law-abiding people have stopped purchasing firearms. Meanwhile, criminals have continued to purchase and carry firearms (they're accustomed to breaking the law anyway). The result is two-fold:
- a disarmed populace that cannot immediately defend itself; criminals can attack with a lesser chance of harm to themselves;
- an overtaxed police force that needs to mobilize faster and more effectively to do its job.
Is it any wonder that police are resentful of their sworn duty? Is it any wonder that they view themselves as "different" from us "morons" and regular plebians? My simple response to that is, "You don't like the job? Find another one." After all it's my tax dollars (also taken from me through coercion, by the way) that fund that officer's efforts, regardless of their effectiveness.
Anyone who stands up to the police force as an oppressive entity in their community will invariably be harassed, threatened, and bullied into stopping their complaints and demonstrations. They are painted by the media as deviants and 'bad seeds' in society. The status quo is maintained through coercion and violent acts, and law enforcement is portrayed as the only recourse for society to come back from the brink of destruction. The rest writes itself.
To sum up, I'm not of the opinion that society is becoming more lawless. I am of the opinion that society as a whole is becoming more powerless; this breeds resentment and conflict on both sides of the line.
If I were able to defend myself without fear or threat of imprisonment for doing so, I would take up arms in a heartbeat.
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UrbanMonk
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19th February, 2012 at 07:21:41 -
Although I still think that society as a whole is becoming more lawless, I still agree with everything else you said!
Perhaps it's simply the fact that less criminals are discouraged from performing their crimes when they know that the majority of the population is unarmed.
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Rob Westbrook
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21st February, 2012 at 21/02/2012 00:26:39 -
Stick to the zombies, dude. I was looking forward to that....
There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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UrbanMonk
BRING BACK MITCH
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21st February, 2012 at 21/02/2012 03:53:41 -
I agree, I actually liked your other project.
This one seems stupid. If you're making it for yourself that's fine, but even so what a waste of talent.
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markno2
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21st March, 2012 at 21/03/2012 19:50:15 -
Naden got captured today. 
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GamesterXIII
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22nd March, 2012 at 22/03/2012 23:56:28 -
I'm an idiot.
We know.
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Chris Burrows
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23rd March, 2012 at 23/03/2012 01:11:50 -
Maybe he'll break out?
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