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tetsuya_shino Registered 12/08/2004 Points 491	20th June, 2014 at 20/06/2014 05:55:23 - Greetings. This is my first time doing this, but I thought I would give it a shot. I set up a paypal donation button on my blog as well as outlined my vision for the game. http://bondofblood.blogspot.jp/ If you have a moment please take a look. It also possible to download an early build of the game. Although the next update will be a massive improvement in many areas. Afterwards if you are impressed, or at least slightly intrigued, please consider pressing that big yellow button. Thank you. n/a
lembi2001 Registered 01/04/2005 Points 608	20th June, 2014 at 20/06/2014 23:05:24 - Just wanted to post my opinion of your game. The graphics look great and I have no doubt that the game will be great for fans of hentai however I do have an issue with the subject matter surrounding the Game Over conditions Rape is a very harrowing and traumatic experience for any man or woman to go through. I can't see how having this included would benefit your game. If this is the route you intend to go down with this game I expect a few people will be put off playing it. I'm not writing this to be abrasive or anything but I just cannot understand how anyone things that trivialising such a sensitive subject by including it in a game would be a good idea. Honestly it baffles me. Good luck with the project and all that but I would urge you to take a different route if at all possible n/a
s-m-r Slow-Motion Riot Registered 04/06/2006 Points 1078	21st June, 2014 at 21/06/2014 12:45:41 - Suggesting that someone making a hentai game avoid using a rape mechanic in their games is pretty much like trolling. It rarely succeeds in changing someone's mind. It's considered a 'feature' or even a conventional aspect of those games. Making it donations-only shields developers and legitimizes the software project in a way, since the developer can always say, "If you don't like it, don't play it and don't give me money." They're not really objectifying women since it's "purely a fantasy" and "they're not making any money at it, it's just [my] hobby." I felt that Core of Innocence was a reprehensible game too, but I'm sure that there were some people who donated to the developer. No doubt this game will have its supporters as well, having much more than nudity in it. Much like in CoI (or even more so), this project developer's talent is misguided and is ultimately harmful to others, particularly women. Normally I would consider donating to indie and hobbyist developers, but in cases such as these I never push the button. n/a
lembi2001 Registered 01/04/2005 Points 608	21st June, 2014 at 21/06/2014 20:34:50 - I wasn't trolling (maybe I don't quite understand Hentai) but just voicing my concern about what is a VERY sensitive subject. I do wish tetsuya_shino all the best with his project however I will not be donating nor playing the game. n/a
tetsuya_shino Registered 12/08/2004 Points 491	21st June, 2014 at 21/06/2014 22:39:32 - Thank you both for your well thought out posts. Apparently, neither of you belong to the target group that the game is aimed for. If you are not interested in the game or even displeased with it's existence, that is perfectly fine. You have the right to your own opinions; to have your own likes and dislikes. However, to even suggest that I approve of or condone actual rape simply because it appears in my game, is both outrageous and logic defying. Your explanation of how you came to that conclusion would surely be entertaining. n/a
lembi2001 Registered 01/04/2005 Points 608	21st June, 2014 at 21/06/2014 23:05:35 - I never suggested you approved or condoned it, never even entertained the thought actually. What I did allude to was the fact that featuring it in a game, even if it is to satisfy a Game Over condition, seems to trivialise the horrific act itself. n/a
s-m-r Slow-Motion Riot Registered 04/06/2006 Points 1078	22nd June, 2014 at 22/06/2014 00:45:13 - I never stated you condone rape. I mentioned that you're objectifying women in your game. Using a rape mechanic in your game is not the same as saying, "all you guys ought to go out and rape somebody." I never accused you of that at all. However, I'll go ahead and state your choice is in poor taste, denigrates women, and reduces them to "three holes and two hands." The fact that you're comfortable with using the rape mechanic - or rather, making a hentai game at all - gives indication you're comfortable with the notion that your creative efforts support that kind of world view. It's irresponsible. I've called out other forum members for the same kind of statements. I hope you drop this project and spend your time and effort on something less hurtful to - and less ignorant of - greater than half the world's population. But I'm not holding my breath. Your effort is simply one of many out there that continue the grand tradition of catering to that "target audience," eh? I mean, kids post their games here, for crying out loud. You're only getting away with this because the admins are asleep at the wheel. n/a
s-m-r Slow-Motion Riot Registered 04/06/2006 Points 1078	22nd June, 2014 at 22/06/2014 00:47:23 - Originally Posted by lembi2001 I wasn't trolling (maybe I don't quite understand Hentai) but just voicing my concern about what is a VERY sensitive subject. Didn't mean to make it sound like I was accusing you of being a troll in this thread. I apologize for that, lembi2001. n/a
tetsuya_shino Registered 12/08/2004 Points 491	24th June, 2014 at 24/06/2014 05:09:40 - There is a reason I wrote NSFW and Adults Only in the title. Even then, you have to click the link then you are taken Content Warning screen where you must press a button to enter. I can't be faulted if a child chooses to ignore these warnings. As I said before, you have the right to your own opinion. However, you once again keep making assumptions as to what my personal belief on the matter is, as well as saying I indirectly support it is laughable. Really. I shouldn't need to remind you that if you aren't interested in donating nor playing the game, there was no reason for you to post, and continue to post. You are so focused on trying to prove your own opinion, you fail to realize we shouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place. Does a vegetation go online and complain about the raising cost of beef? The smart ones don't. So let me say it clearly; your opinion is unnecessary. I am not trying to be spiteful, but really, this thread did not require a response. If the thread had been 'what is your opinion on rape in video games?' then your replies would have been perfectly acceptable. But that wasn't case here. I posted a promotional message. Interested parties should view it, those not interested should ignore it. And to suggest I should drop my project because you are personally offended by it? Would you listen to yourself? Why would you think I would value your opinion? Who are you to me? Do you actually think your words have weight to them? You know, I will give you an example to make this crystal clear for you. There is a member on this forum, a crazy racist guy who's name escapes me. But I know you know who I am referring to. Heck, with the magic of the internet you could be him. Anyway let's say this guy was making a video game version of Schindler's List. And in this game the enemy Nazi soldiers were bad mouthing, murdering, and raping Jews. Even if the game was portrayed from the German perspective, solely developing this game wouldn't make that guy a racist, murderer, or rapist. With me so far? However, because that person makes all those offensive random comments on the forum outside the confines of a game, film, etc., that is the reason he is perceived as a loon. It's not a difficult concept to understand, so hopefully you get it now. Again, creating or viewing media of an offensive nature does no way lead to direct endorsement or approval of said activities. You are not aware of a person's true beliefs while that are creating or viewing such content. And you only make yourself foolish thinking otherwise. (Let's not forget that 'offensive' is subjective.) If you had actually bothered to research my game you can see my central theme is also war. I invite you to google ' Nanking_Massacre '. Soldiers raping and pillaging is the weak is a common theme in war media because, wait for it.. that's what commonly took place. Not every war, and not every soldier, but history has proven this to be true. You also assume, incorrectly, that a female victim who has been assaulted in my game will just shrug it off and forget about it. I do admit this is the case for most hentai games. Most eventually have the victim enjoying the rape near the end. I think that is awful and I won't be doing that. In my game you will be able to talk to everyone after they are saved, and if they were a victim to some form of abuse they will mention it. How often and to what extent will vary from character to character. In other words my game will have much much more depth then your average hentai game. Honestly, it is because I loath the way most professional, Japanese hentai game companies create their games that has spurred me on to make my own. Of course the average Japanese hentai gamer, the target audience, is expecting more of the same; the 'three holes' logic you were talking about before. So while I want to create a different (superior?) atmosphere in my game, I must make certain concessions to attract those would be customers. Because this is a product. I have to be constantly aware of what they expect while at same time aim to make a 'better mouse trap'. You keep saying ignorant, but my game takes more planing, research, and effort that anything you have made or will ever make. You know this to be true. Moreover, 'sex sells' is no exaggeration. I know a guy from Canada that made a simple hentai game and made several thousand dollars. He is currently working on his third game now. With luck I stand to make the same amount or more once my game is completed. Your personal feelings don't change the fact this market exists. So, I am done here. I sincerely hoped you learned something. n/a
s-m-r Slow-Motion Riot Registered 04/06/2006 Points 1078	24th June, 2014 at 24/06/2014 13:07:16 - Originally Posted by tetsuya_shino There is a reason I wrote NSFW and Adults Only in the title. Even then, you have to click the link then you are taken Content Warning screen where you must press a button to enter. I can't be faulted if a child chooses to ignore these warnings. Point taken. You have me there. But that's only one aspect of the reason I've a hair up my ass about this thread. However, you once again keep making assumptions as to what my personal belief on the matter is, as well as saying I indirectly support it is laughable. Really. You're trying to make money in that industry, reinforced by your illustrious Canadian example. I see nothing laughable about that. I shouldn't need to remind you that if you aren't interested in donating nor playing the game, there was no reason for you to post, and continue to post. You are so focused on trying to prove your own opinion, you fail to realize we shouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place. I'm not the one suggesting others go through mental gymnastics to legitimize a hentai game. I'm personally attempting to state the obvious regarding hentai (and by extension, your game's) depiction of women. I normally consider financially supporting worthwhile indie projects. But not this one in its current form. So let me say it clearly; your opinion is unnecessary. ... I posted a promotional message. Interested parties should view it, those not interested should ignore it. Your game does not exist in a vacuum. The oppression and objectification of women are global and observable. That's where I'm coming from, not my opinion (though my personal opinion is certainly inspired by the real world). And no, I should not ignore anything I see, particularly promotional messages. The primary reason women continue to be abused is that ignorant men are not called out for their reprehensible, abusive, and damaging behaviour (and software projects). And to suggest I should drop my project because you are personally offended by it? Would you listen to yourself? Why would you think I would value your opinion? Who are you to me? Do you actually think your words have weight to them? Hey, I'm just a user on a forum. Never tried to be anything else. Just responding to a thread is all. Albeit, one where someone's asking for donations to create a work that highlights treating women as sex objects. You know, I will give you an example to make this crystal clear for you. ... It's not a difficult concept to understand, so hopefully you get it now. Again, creating or viewing media of an offensive nature does no way lead to direct endorsement or approval of said activities. Nice strawman, and attempt at legitimizing your efforts. But if you don't wish your game to be lumped in with the identifier of 'hentai' that you used yourself, then (for example) don't let players skip through the narrative text. Otherwise your game exists to simply help somebody have one off at the expense of women. Like the rest of the hentai genre. If you had actually bothered to research my game you can see my central theme is also war. ... Nice attempt at legitimizing your game here. All wargames are worthwhile, amirite? Historical fiction is always worthwhile, amirite? The one concession I'll give you here is that it's a fictional conflict. But you mention yourself that these things (rape, torture, etc.) happen in the real world all the time. You keep saying ignorant, but my game takes more planing [sic], research, and effort that anything you have made or will ever make. You know this to be true. Tremendous amounts of effort go into fruitless projects all the time (yes, my own included). The amount of effort needed to create something does not legitimize the content. The phrase "busy idiot" comes to mind, and that's not of my own invention. And I'll avoid the stainless steel jaws of your artfully-placed ad hominem. Moreover, 'sex sells' is no exaggeration. I know a guy from Canada that made a simple hentai game and made several thousand dollars. He is currently working on his third game now. With luck I stand to make the same amount or more once my game is completed. There it is! Your personal feelings don't change the fact this market exists. Make money off wank material. Just like so many others. So, I am done here. I sincerely hoped you learned something. Actually, your story is similar to that of many other entitled men out there. You feel persecuted that someone's poking holes in your "baby, ' and like a honey badger you're lashing out, regardless of your justification. Problem is, you're ignorant of the route you're taking to (1) make money and (2) use your talents. There are consequences to being a creative person: receiving critique is one of them. Bottom line: you do not live and produce in a vacuum. You admitted yourself you're doing this for the money. So why should I consider you different from any other content developer in the hentai world? Why should I not call you out for what your work is doing? And you mention nothing about my main contention that your game content objectifies women, simply putting forth the contention you're trying to make money off this project instead. What kind of justification is that? If you want to make money, make an iOS casual puzzle game that doesn't feature naked chibi and fanart. Whatever, dude. You crossed the Rubicon, now own up to the route to your conquest. n/a
lembi2001 Registered 01/04/2005 Points 608	25th June, 2014 at 25/06/2014 00:51:48 - Tetsuya, I never intended for you to be insulted by this, but after all this is a forum. A forum provides it's users to discuss things and provide opinions on subject matter they feel strongly about. RAPE is one such thing I feel strongly about. I believe all rapists should be punished in accordance with the trauma inflicted on their victim. To include it in a game actually sicken's me. I know you entitled the topic (NSFW - Adults only) but the fact of the matter is that at no point before you reach your blog pages does the subject matter become clear. I'm not saying the game is centered around rape (I didn't read all the blog pages as I was too angered to continue) however the mechanic is in there. It is apparently integral to the game. This is the issue I have with game. Launching personal attacks on someone who is only voicing a personal concern/issue with your game is not the way to carry on. As stated before this is a public forum where the right to free speech exists. n/a
Dialga-Brite Registered 28/12/2011 Points 1257	11th July, 2014 at 11/07/2014 23:11:46 - Hello... I have read most of this thread, and I strongly agree with the people who were offended by this game. I especially identify with saying that he is very talented, but is putting his talents to extremely poor usage. I also love the fact that you had the guts to tell him to drop the project, which I agree with as well. I want to say that the game's creator has a rather sarcastic attitude, and from it, it is clear that he is not a nice person, and perhaps even is a 4chan user. for example: "Your explanation of how you came to that conclusion would surely be entertaining." It is pretty obvious to me that this person can't be reasoned with, and is not worth arguing with. However I want to let you people know that you are loved. You are not alone in dealing with this bully who likes to objectify women in games in order to make money. Light and innocence shall prevail! <3 n/a
The_Antisony At least I'm not Circy Registered 01/07/2002 Points 1341	12th July, 2014 at 12/07/2014 00:31:53 - Hentai games exist for the same reason hentai porn exists. So that a bunch of men can fantasize about sex while working through the frustrating reality that no wpman in their right mindset would ever introduce them to the reality of sex. The only reason the OP would be so adamant about producing this game is if he falls snugly into the sexless category or is just finding a debased reason to make money the easiest way imaginable shy of prostitution. ChrisD> Employer: Say, wanna see a magic trick? ChrisD> Employee: Uhh… sure, boss. ChrisD> Employer: Your job! It just disappeared! Pack your things and leave! Pretty good trick, huh?
Dialga-Brite Registered 28/12/2011 Points 1257	12th July, 2014 at 12/07/2014 02:32:01 - I heard that Rosenkreuzstilette was originally gonna be a hentai game, but wound up not being one. and of that I am GLAD, because I love Spiritia. she is just so awesome, I wouldn't want her to be ruined in that way! n/a
Maltar Draco Registered 22/08/2013 19:25:19 Points 215	15th July, 2014 at 15/07/2014 10:55:51 - I absolutely can not believe this bullshit! None of you idiots get mad when people are KILLED in games but rape? Oh No! That's pure evil! We must fight the developer so he doesn't make his rape game while you let all killing games on the market do perfectly well, you lot make me sick. You are not the target audience for this game and suggest it should be stopped because you personally don't like it is just wrong, you do not own the world's culture. Sex is a part of life, purely and simply. Maltar Draco, I do PC gaming.

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