The problem is, the world isn't perfect, and never will be. Mankind has constantly been struggling for power, and inventing new ways of overpowering their adversaries. There will always be a power struggle somewhere, and as technology develops, so will the weapons that the armies have at their disposal. Eventually it'll reach a stage where superweapons are such that they cannot be used for fear of the end of everything.
Whilst these 'local' conflicts seem like a big deal, they're actually nothing compared to what will happen if foreign nations keep getting involved. Especially if a humongous cock-up comes along, then before long we have another World War. Kapow. Millions (maybe even billions, after all, they don't seem to care much for civilians, do they?) could die.
You'd think that the world should wake up to what disasters could arise if they continue to do what they're doing. But those with power abuse it, and those without it want it, and will try to take it from those that have it. Then they have the power, and those who had it, want it back. Thus a vicious circle occurs.
Just because a bunch of morons got the wrong message from Christianity (see www.godhatesfags.com) and Judaism doesn't mean everyone got the wrong idea.
At the base of Christianity/Judaism the message is to spread peace.
At the base of Islam, you'll find the message that clearly states "destroy the infidels".
You'll find Jesus/Moses in the media all the time; people laugh at Jews/Christians all the time, and it's pretty damn funny. But when we make fun of Islam, they put a jihad on our heads.
I'm going to go draw Mohammad having sex with a Panda now.
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Lazarus, you're thoughts about Islam are spurious, malinformed, ignorant and downright insulting. If you didn't already now, Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions - which means they are all based on the same thing. In fact, Islam was based around Christianity which was based around Judaism. Baha'i (sp?) is the successor to this.
Why don't you go and boil your head you ignorant little toad?
It's true, Islam is somewhat of a successor of Christianity (or more like Judaism actually), adapted for the arabic region (in other words, allowing polygamy).
Everyone should adapt Phredreekism instead. That is, play video games, have sex and be happy. Of course, society would collapse not soon after due to everyone expecting someone else to do all the work. But it'd be fun for the few hours (minutes?) it would last.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
The widespread panic is often more effective than the actual event.
Correct, terrorism is more effective thanks to the world media. But terrorism and insurgency are not the same thing. And none of this has anything to do with Israel.
And I never said that we have bonds with Israel over guilt. You might be confusing me with someone else.
Sorry, all these stupid 'RAARGH ISRAEL' sentiments kind of blur together after a while.
But, I still hold the belief that we should break ties with Israel. How are they an ally? What do they offer us?
They're a relatively wealthy nation with the strongest military in the region, and are in an invaluable tactical position. Not to mention intelligence and counter-terrorism.
And what is your reason that we should cease ties? You haven't responded to my point that this invasion is comparable to the invasion of Afghanistan.
And in Britain there are many many more Muslims than Jews, yet we don't seem to have any special relations with Pakistan, or Iran, or anywhere.
As you seem to be unaware, politics is complicated. For one thing, Jews simply got here first.
And what's your point with this statement? If, as you should, reject that it's due to guilt, are you suggesting a third option? I'm sure a paranoid conspiracy or two couldn't hurt your argument at this point.
It's happened in the past many times - Britain, the US, whoever, always try to sort things out in foreign countries that have little actually to do with them (except that they happen to gain some commodity, or get their favoured man in power). Vietnam? Iraq? Palestine? And it always blows up in their faces. And it's taken me this long to see.
So? This isn't Britain or the US's war, this is Israels. You aren't proposing that the West not fight (fortunate since we aren't fighting), you're suggesting that we break ties with Israel because they're fighting. So by extension you believe Britain should have broken ties with the US because of Vietnam?
Not simply because they are fighting, it's because they are fighting an illegal war. I think it's perfectly reasonable for countries to break alliances if other nations do wrong, that way they might think twice about invading somewhere.
Oh, and I do believe the allied nations are terrorist states. But like you say, that word has lost meaning. From now on, terrorist should mean only people who intend to cause terror, and not just those that do.
Correct, terrorism is more effective thanks to the world media. But terrorism and insurgency are not the same thing. And none of this has anything to do with Israel.
It has everything to do with Israel. Israel invades <insert Islamic country name>, Islamic country fights back, the west supports Israel, Islamic country feels angry at the West, Islamic men vow to fight the West, terrorist attacks happen, the West fights back at terrorism, Muslims get even more angry etc etc.
They're a relatively wealthy nation with the strongest military in the region, and are in an invaluable tactical position. Not to mention intelligence and counter-terrorism.
Why exactly do we need a military there? Why do we need intelligence? If we weren't fighting and funding wars there we wouldn't need them. And there'd be no terrorism.
For one thing, Jews simply got here first.
And that means Jews have first dibs on alliances? And are actively playing against the Muslims in Britain via the foreign policy?
So by extension you believe Britain should have broken ties with the US because of Vietnam?
In a perfect world, yes. But we don't live there. However, Israel is no superpower. They do not offer us a single thing except trouble. If we had the US against us no doubt they could destroy us. You simply can't afford to be the US's enemies (see Iran). But that doesn't mean pandering to their every beck and call.
Once again, why can't we all be more like Norway? Or Switzerland, yeah Switzerland.
"Why exactly do we need a military there? Why do we need intelligence? If we weren't fighting and funding wars there we wouldn't need them. And there'd be no terrorism."
I hope i misinterpreted that part. Do you seriously believe that if the US and UK would stop funding, directly or indirectly, certain sides in conflicts, all conflicts would magically solve? What the fuck? "Terrorism" will exist as long as there are groups ready to fight against a significantly larger military power, and that will be true as long as us humans exist.
I'm taking a neutral stance in this conflict because both the Israelis and Hezbollah are acting like retards, much like all parts of most other never-ending conflicts out there. However, I hate it when single tracked people simply decides to take one side and completely omits half the facts and responsibility.
"And that means Jews have first dibs on alliances? And are actively playing against the Muslims in Britain via the foreign policy?"
You're talking about Jews like they were some collective mind. Just like many other racists talk about muslims. I never thought I'd meet someone who believed in the Zog-machine at TDC. About why they are "our" allies (I'm from Sweden so I don't really know how much the Jewish conspiracy affects you guys), I'd say it's because "we" are (or feel is a better word 'cause actually we are not) culturally close(r) to Israel. That's just the way things are, and it won't change overnight.
"Once again, why can't we all be more like Norway? Or Switzerland, yeah Switzerland."
Good thing you changed your stance. Because Norway happens to be a part of NATO and they also have sent (while very few) soldiers to Iraq.
"Whispers" did a good job of covering all that crap, however:
However, Israel is no superpower. They do not offer us a single thing except trouble.
Bullshit. What you're saying is that when someone does something you personally don't like we should break ties with them, regardless of what economic, military or political benefits they offer us. You give a reason why ties with the US shouldn't be broken (and weren't), but the the only difference in utility between a US and Israeli alliance is scale. Israel may not be as powerful as the US nevertheless they are still a powerful country with something to offer.
What you want is an exclusionist UK that won't talk to any countries that don't think and act exactly the same way. So in persuit of minimizing enemies you get rid of your allies. That is an incredibly stupid idea.
So by extension you believe Britain should have broken ties with the US because of Vietnam?
In a perfect world, yes. But we don't live there.
Yes, you do live there. You want a list of bastardly things the UK has done? Again, something you STILL HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO: that the NATO invasion of Afghanistan is directly comparable to Israel's current action.
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