Thing is Jimmi is that you're a proper Apple fanboy. Most people aren't. And who the hell uses "Address Book"?
What's smart is I could just finish work, jump on the bus or train, pick a film I'd like to watch and set it downloading, get home and wirelessly stream it one of the Apple TV devices
Or, like normal people, you could just get home and watch a film on TV. And unless you have every bit of Apple kit, some features will be rubbish, like videos. Because every knows that videos are rubbish on tiny little screens.
Apple will throw money and words at this thing, but it's simply a bad idea.
Wow I don't think Noodle knows or can afford a convenience device. Why is the Apple music store on it's 2 billionth download? Why is it the most popular download service and is the 2nd most popular music reseller going? Cuz it's fucking convenience, it's easy and quick. Like I said, you could be anywhere and start downloading a film. Go home and watch it on a TV (wired video out on device or wireless with AppleTV) or a mac or PC or anything. Or hell even start watching it on the ride home then carry on with a bigscreen at home. That's just a fucking incredible idea. There is definitely a market for that too.
Just as people download and purchase films off various online stores, iTunes and even Xbox Marketplace. There's a huge market for this, I'm sorry for you if you'd rather stick with VHS or watching regular TV.
my iMac has a little USB dongle that records Freeview TV in perfect quality and lets me skip adverts, rewind TV, schedule recordings and all that jazz. It must be bad because it makes it easier for me. I should stay back with terrestrial and a candle. so how's that wired remote doing?
edit: Oh and to your first post - do you have some magical music collection that doesn't grow? Because you know what, mine does! It's why I need an MP3 player with more than 6gb of space. Battery life increases every so often too. Features are added to make the experience more enjoyable, to provide better sound, better form factors, tougher hardware. There's nothing wrong with modern MP3 players but to say they can never be improved is ludicrous.
And the mp3 size doesn't matter. I could've easily got a bigger one, as they are available, but frankly most music is ballsacks. It's the idea of a combination of stuff which I am against.
I'd be worried about all the stuff you have Jim. It's obvious all those radio waves are frying your brain.
To be honest Noodle I think you need to realise that just because you don't like something, then it doesn't mean it won't be a success and it doesn't mean others will have the same opinions as you.
I for one am not an apple fan-boy - I haven't ever bought anything from apple because I don't need to. But I can still quite clearly see that the iPhone will probably be popular and will probably be successful.
Flava, I think you need to realise my arguments, which have nothing to do with what I said.
I said iPhone will fail, and gave reasons before. Nothing to do with me not liking stuff - in fact I like all those things included in the iPhone, but on their own. Music yes, phone yes, camera yes, videos yes. But I can do all that stuff separately for probably around the same price, probably cheaper.
It all sounds like a big bundle of impressive tech. But it's kind of already been done with Sony Ericsson Pxx series of phones which have been around already for quite a while, I used to have one. Large touch screen, mp3 player, DVX player, camera, web browser etc. It's all there. You could even get a SCUMM emulator and run the old monkey island games.
But I sold it last year, and replaced it with a more conventional phone. Why?
You just don't NEED that kind of stuff on a phone. Watching movies on a portable device sucks. It's hard to concentrate with stuff going on around you, and if you've bothered to put it on the damn thing in the first place, chances are you've already seen the movie already. Fun cameras are ok to have, and like whats already been said, its only the combination that is really worthwhile. Mp3 player is fair enough, but even the top model with 8gb is too small for a decent music library. Using the internet on a portable device isn't great either, since 99% of the time there's just no need to- I'd rather use a proper PC/Mac when I get indoors.
Don't even get me started on how annoying a touch screen can be on a small device when you just want to do something quickly, or if you've been eating crisps.
I do admire apple because they're the only tech company which knows how to appeal to the masses (by making their products look sleek and making them easy to use). It's easy to see how they use design to appeal to people more than most other companies. But as with a lot of their tech, there dosen't seem to be anything ground breaking.
Not to put anyone down, but I totally agree with Noodle.
Being succesfull doesn't mean something is good, it just means 80% of
the people on this planet are stupid fucking retards who buy stuff just because other people do so. I have a mobile phone from 1999, a discman from 2001, I don't need a camera because I am not an emo and I never watch films because I have better things to do. That just makes me perfectly happy.
Yeah, and that's what you like and I don't have one problem with that. But you can't exactly presume that everyone has that state of mind, the iPhone can prove to be a handy item. Not just 'cool' features like setting AppleTV to record at home because to be honest not even I would bother about that, but working at Currys I do get a lot of people who are looking for this kind of product. In the last couple of weeks I've had people coming in asking if there was a PDA/MP3 and Video player all in one, and there wasn't. At least not any good ones either, but each one I told them about the iPhone and they seemed pretty interested. Unlike the N-Gage, this is more of a mini-computer rather than a phone that simply does it all.
People who aren't interested in this simply aren't interested, there's nothing you can do like how people aren't interested in games consoles to even films. But some people are and those people would find the iPhone a great product. It's not a fad, it really can be quite useful. I can't say that yet because nobody owns one yet except for Steve Jobs and Co whom I am using as a source for this. If it does go down the tubes, blame Apple or Jimmi, but not me. We'll just have to see how it goes, but I'm sure this will be more of hit than it is at the moment.
All I'm saying is, that the iPhone is for the people who would want something like that, it's not for everyone unlike the Nintendo Wii which is amazing because I've just completed Zelda and I feel so happy.
The problem with people with money is that they like to show they have money, by buying the latest gadgets. They want to make themselves look good by having the newest of the new.*
The iPhone will sell, maybe not be a huge success, but some people will buy it. And those people are idiots.
I'd only buy a new mp3 player/phone/tv/computer etc if my old one broke. Why? Because there's no need to constantly update my stuff. What I have works the way I want it to, I don't need to go wasting hundreds of pounds when i already have something that works fine.
* Average rich bastard show off. Does not apply to all. Applies to most though.
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