Its good rhetoric, but when it boils down you're saying permaban someone for repeated minor offenses. And that IS the same thing as sending a guy to prison for 50-life for stealing a slice of pepperoni pizza. More sanely would be; DO KEEP handing out the chances, just do it after a fair ban for every offense. So if Phizzy decides to come back and plaster the site with lemonparties, ban him again for 6 months. And if he decides to come back after those 6 months, give him that chance. Because maybe that time it won't be to vex and flummox us all. Recidivist rules are inherently flawed in that they don't allow for rehabilitation, and the exact same applies here. Once a mans done his time, you let him out.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Its good rhetoric, but when it boils down you're saying permaban someone for repeated minor offenses. And that IS the same thing as sending a guy to prison for 50-life for stealing a slice of pepperoni pizza. More sanely would be; DO KEEP handing out the chances, just do it after a fair ban for every offense. So if Phizzy decides to come back and plaster the site with lemonparties, ban him again for 6 months. And if he decides to come back after those 6 months, give him that chance. Because maybe that time it won't be to vex and flummox us all. Recidivist rules are inherently flawed in that they don't allow for rehabilitation, and the exact same applies here. Once a mans done his time, you let him out.
There is where one might argue that the admins have a fucken life and would much rather be here at the site enjoying what little they have to do to keep it up, then to constantly warn some guy to stfu or else he's going to get banned again. Seriously, you're fighting a losing battle Pixelthief, your analogies don't make sense, so again... just stop and like everyone else seems to be insisted, let it go!
There is where one might argue that the admins have a ****en life and would much rather be here at the site enjoying what little they have to do to keep it up, then to constantly warn some guy to st*u or else he's going to get banned again. Seriously, you're fighting a losing battle Pixelthief, your analogies don't make sense, so again... just stop and like everyone else seems to be insisted, let it go!
Which of course goes back to the oldfashioned debate tactic of saying "I'm right you're wrong give up plz". So I'll try my best to derive your argument from that drivel; You seem to be saying something along the lines of that the moderators are too strained for time to deal with the forum drama. This was the exact reason I said we should postpone any of this until after the Xmas compo results were in. But in that same vein, how is re-banning phizzy every other day, and deleting/locking the numerous threads that will pop up because of it, and dealing with forumers like yourself abusing other ones, easier then just letting the man go unbanned? How does increased punishment consume less time then leniency? It increases the moderators workload to HAVE him banned, due to the inexorable eventualities. I'm going to make these threads, you're going to swear, and Shab/Clubby are going to lock them, and the cycle repeats. The idea that it is easier to just keep Phizzy banned is hence just bad logic.
Thats assuming thats the point you're trying to come across with. If you're really just trying to hammer in a "Zomg pixelthoof plz give up plz! STFU AND DIE!!!!1@!1!one11!" point, I'll respond with a simple "I am rubber you are glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you"
But if you're going to keep reposting these threads irrespective of what anyone else says, then isn't the whole "I'm right you're wrong give up plz" coming from you? Cos these posts are just gonna continue until everyone agrees with you for a quiet life, aren't they?
And let's look at your argument for a minute; It's largely based on statements that certain conduct "doesn't merit a ban". I've seen very few explanations as to why, and what's given is hardly convincing. If you want people to agree with you, it's best to be right. You seem to be having a hard time proving to the rest of the world that you are.
That of itself could tell you something, if you'd let it.
Well said Dines, your posts Pixelthief, are contradicting your arrangement slightly. Actually more so supporting the opposing idea your trying to put down, which is your cliche "I'm Right, you're wrong."
I am in no way trying to say "I'm right, you're wrong." I am merely saying that what you're implying is not wrong, but out of date. Perhaps if what you were saying, was said when he was banned the first or second time, then yeah, I'd agree. However since you're trying to get him off the hook again, after being banned how many times... I think you just need to rest.
There is where one might argue that the admins have a ****en life and would much rather be here at the site enjoying what little they have to do to keep it up, then to constantly warn some guy to st*u or else he's going to get banned again. Seriously, you're fighting a losing battle Pixelthief, your analogies don't make sense, so again... just stop and like everyone else seems to be insisted, let it go!
Which of course goes back to the oldfashioned debate tactic of saying "I'm right you're wrong give up plz". So I'll try my best to derive your argument from that drivel; You seem to be saying something along the lines of that the moderators are too strained for time to deal with the forum drama. This was the exact reason I said we should postpone any of this until after the Xmas compo results were in. But in that same vein, how is re-banning phizzy every other day, and deleting/locking the numerous threads that will pop up because of it, and dealing with forumers like yourself abusing other ones, easier then just letting the man go unbanned? How does increased punishment consume less time then leniency? It increases the moderators workload to HAVE him banned, due to the inexorable eventualities. I'm going to make these threads, you're going to swear, and Shab/Clubby are going to lock them, and the cycle repeats. The idea that it is easier to just keep Phizzy banned is hence just bad logic.
Thats assuming thats the point you're trying to come across with. If you're really just trying to hammer in a "Zomg pixelthoof plz give up plz! STFU AND DIE!!!!1@!1!one11!" point, I'll respond with a simple "I am rubber you are glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you"
Because America doesn't negotiate with terrorists!
With or without these topics. Phiz is not going to be banned forever, we will unban him at some point as a trial, but its not going to be now because of his recent fake membership and rude postings 2 weeks ago. So pixel let this go for now be assured phiz is not banned forever but we can't unban him right now because of his latest actions. All the admins agree on this. Give it time, you should see him coming back at some point. Sooner rather then later but again this will be as a trial. Closing this AnD any future topics on this subject enough is enough. We got the point. There is nothing normal left to say about this.
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