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Ok, so I recently just randomly installed some stuff to check my processor's temperature and when idle, it was at like 68 C. Holy crap. I was like wth. When I start a program or a game, it goes to round about 78. But thats it. It stays there. I checked the temperature at BIOS and it shows the same.

This leads me to think either the heatsink isnt on the processor properly. I did put the fan on it once more after unscrewing it. I think I got it right but the stupid thermaltake fan/heatsink has plastic screws which really are a pain in the ass.

So I check the temperature again and its the same. Any ideas how to solve this particular problem? It's strange though cause the computer runs pretty okay. Fans are loud but that's pretty much it. One thing to note would be that my previous board's processor connector plug or outlet on the mobo burned down. Could it be because of that, that the processor is damaged or something? It shouldnt work at all if it was damaged right?

My new rig has 5 fans, all of them running. The BIOS shows only one for some reason. I dont know, I'm kind of lost here. Should I go out and buy a new processor fan/heatsink or should I just buy a new processor? Or is it the mobo?? So lost.

 
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23rd March, 2009 at 01:16:05 -

Yeah, better cooling system. I don't think buying another processor would make a difference, unless it was flawed when it came out of the factory (but that's unlikely considering Intel or AMD's strict standards). Check the wiring and ventilation too.

 
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23rd March, 2009 at 02:06:42 -

What is the exact model of your processor? Those temperatures don't sound that high to me...

 

  		
  		

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Its an old processor, Pentium (R) 4 CPU 3.00 Ghz. Its single core I think but HT enabled. I dont know, does it have a name like motherboards? Where do I find that?

Muz, I said that the processor was a mobo whose processor connector burned. Would that have a chance of making the processor faulty?

Also, I'm thinking the sensors on this mobo might be faulty themselves as the computer functions okay. Not great but okay.

 
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I'm pretty sure that temperature is waay too high. Normally you'd want it at about 50-60. You might try a different cooler. I just so happen to be running on a Pentium4 based computer temporarily - i can check the temperature when i get home.

 
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23rd March, 2009 at 14:32:46 -

Well, for an old hot Pentium 4 3Ghz, that sounds about right for an idle temperature. And you're right, a lot of times measuring equipment can be way off.

Is the utility you installed this? http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/active.htm It will warn you if your certain processor is too hot. Oh and also--where is your computer? Is it in one of those desk cabinets or up against a wall? Even with all the fans in the world, if the air can't get anywhere, it will still be hot.

I'd say, if you're really worried about it, try to ventilate the system differently. (Also run it with the cover off to see what it's like with maximum ventilation) But I think as long as you don't get an overheat error on bootup, you should be ok.

If you're feeling really adventuresome, you could experiment with some water cooling systems.

 

  		
  		

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23rd March, 2009 at 15:49:19 -

my old processor was running at about 70 under load which was far too high, i was running it with no thermal paste though

some processor's surfaces are slightly concave or convex which can often be the problem (solved usually by decent thermal goop or lapping!) as the heatsink has to set FIRMLY on the heat plate. my current rig doesnt have a case at all and it runs cooool

 
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23rd March, 2009 at 16:03:39 -

Oh also, it could very well be a funky power supply. If you have any extra one laying around that's compatible, give it a try.

Do what Mr. Pineapple said and make sure the heatsink is firmly attached to the CPU. I seem to recall reading about a certain connector that made two distinct clicks before you knew the heatsink was connected properly. Could be unrelated though.

 

  		
  		

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yeah if memory serves (it has been a few years now) if its a 3ghz P4 its likely to be a socket 775. Their standard heatsinks need clicking in at the corners the last one always requires more pressure than i'd like to put on a circuit board but there you go.

 
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My processor out of no where, started reaching well over 100'C and my PC would actually shut down because of too much heat. I just went in and changed the thermal paste and everything was good again.

 
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If I watch a youtube vid for about 10 minutes my laptop overheats and shuts down, followed by funky "spllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzllllllllzzzzzzzzzz" noises while booting up.

I have invested in a new computer now.

 
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Or just read my post.

 
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24th March, 2009 at 20:12:46 -

Just popped on to say my old laptop was a 3.06ghz P4 with HT. They really were hot potatoes. Much too hot to put in my bag after doing heavy duty work on it. 60c sounds kinda normal. My MB is currently at 40c and that's in a tight arse metal case. 60 sounds okay.

 
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25th March, 2009 at 08:24:28 -

Most cheap electronics are designed to run reliably only up to 70 degrees centigrade. Processors may or may not contain cheap electronics. They're advanced tech, but still transistors. 60 is a bit too close for comfort; it'll heat up even more when doing heavier work.

 
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they usually have temperature guidelines in the manual and such like... i remember my old athlon XP-M monster could "apparently" run at up to 100 degrees..... obviously i'd never run anything that hot, but its interesting to see how different brands have their own max running temps..... basically to cut a long story short, look it up. They all have a max temp!

 
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Wow, thanks a lot for the support guys. Using my brother's comptuer at the moment. I think its most probably the thermal paste (Thanks BrandoncC). When I was upgrading the mobo and putting the processor in it, I didnt know what the hell it was. I thought it was some weird dust or something on the processor so I scraped it off. Did my research on it and apparently its very important.

Haha, yeah, so I just got thermal grease from Frys. I'll put it in a little later and let you guys know if that was indeed the problem. The stupid fan is a bi*** though. The plastic screws are really hard to plug back in. As for laptops, I think they are used to 60-70 C. Their temperature varies a lot, if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, thanks a lot Lets hope it is the thermal grease and not anything else.

I did check whether it is acceptable for the processor to run this hot. Apparently it isnt. The mobo shows a red light whenever it reaches hot temps so I wouldnt think so.

 
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25th March, 2009 at 23:01:15 -

It likely is the thermal paste, or element or whatever you call it. Hope it all works! Or you could use it as an excuse to get a Core i7

(or not because that would mean a new motherboard...)

 
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Lol, you scraped off the thermal paste? The fan's supposed to be tough to screw and unscrew - since it's so important, it's not even suppose to shake at all, or be loose or anything. Heh, and I think laptops are better at heat because it has better ventilation than a desktop.. but you'd have to be crazy to put something at 100 degrees C on your lap

 
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Not entirely sure if I'd consider a laptop better at getting heat off. A laptop has 1 ideal flaw when it comes to releasing heat, and that's the fact that it's releasing heat into your lap, which isn't the best heat sink in the world. Cases generally, if they're well designed, can produce a lot of air flow around them, and if you don't mind it being rather unattractive, you can even take the side off with little ramifications.

 
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Yeah, I scraped it off. I had never heard of thermal paste at the time so yeah, I thought it was some sort of dust or something haha. Problem with lga 775 socket fans are that their screws are plastic and really hard to tell if they are completely fitted. The fan doesnt move and Im pretty sure its fitted but then I'm still able to move it like 2 mm. It's not completely rigid. Oh, I applied the thermal paste to it. It runs 10 C cooler It's still a little hot I suppose. Does about 60 when programs are running but its better than doing 70-80 so I'm happy.

I'm considering buying this laptop, the specs are on the right:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X5-2900_Notebook/
What do you guys think?

The 9600 GT is supposed to be a good video card right?


Okay, hang on hang on. I just got speedfan to do some readings for me and it shows
CPU - 60C (stays almost the same idle or otherwise)
Internal Temp - 47C
Temp3 - 39C
Temp4 - -128C Temp4 is -128C?? How's that even possible? It probably means there's no temp4 right?
HDD - 36C

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I'm guessing since it shows the CPU load bar under -128C, its somehow related to it? Faulty sensors?? Stumped...

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This is quite strange, as my Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz can be ran bare and will underclock to maintain ~40˚ C. The one in my 2009 Mac Mini (Not bare!) runs around 35-45.

 
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Originally Posted by Bibin
This is quite strange, as my Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz can be ran bare and will underclock to maintain ~40˚ C. The one in my 2009 Mac Mini (Not bare!) runs around 35-45.



That's a C2D, not a P4. P4's run hot.

 

  		
  		

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Toasty hot
Not related at all but a friend at college had a laptop with a fan built into the powerbrick! Was a P4 too.

9600? I bought a 9600pro back in 2004. That can't be right!

 
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no no he means a geforce 9600 ..... err right? not the old Radeon 9600.
biiiiiiiiig difference!

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yeah, haha. the geforce 9600 gt. any good? And its good to hear that p4 temps are normally this high.

 
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