What I don't get is how Adam keeps coming back for more after being totally massacred again and again. You don't even have a valid point to hide behind this time.
If we could steer this side conversation into the below thread to get things back on topic I promise to buy all your parents/guardians some lovely flowers.
Originally Posted by AndyUK How many people really have a problem with Robert? Really?
Adam, your entire argument against his adminship hinges on the fact he hasn't been here all that long. Is 2 years not enough? You really do choose some bizarre fights.
97% of TDC members agree with this post.
Wow, what are the chances, adam? I agree with the above on all counts!
Not sure how I feel about the change from GOTW to GOTM - it's a much more prestigious prize now, with a lot more competition, but these last few months have pitted some of my favourite new klik games against each other. I think ultimately it's a good move, just for the sake of quality GOTM now represents.
I think I've said this a few times, but there have been times when my favorite klik games were pitted against each other in GOTW. Every year there was something like that. That is generally a very nasty thing, because either game could've won had they been submitted the week after that. Heck, one of those games would've beat every other game for 3 months after that. At least here, if you have a few great games in a month, one of them is sure to win something.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Here's where I stand now:
Every 3 months award for Engines (QE or EOTQ),
Every 3 months award for Artwork (QArt or AOTQ),
Keep GOTM, but add ability to choose 2nd and 3rd place votes (each vote gives (?)amount of points, so even if you don't win, everyone still gets some points for being in the running)
And I think people not getting games in an "engine" award running is a rather stupid reason for cancelling such an award.
If they want their game's "engine" to be placed in the running, they would need to post up the opensource engine of it just like everyone else. Tutorials and full opensource games could count as engines as well and be in the running for a QE/EOTQ.
Full opensource games get the honor of having a chance at 2 awards, (QE and GOTM) furthering the chance that people will upload such gems for others to learn from.
Blood of the Ancient One, Seen only as Shadow, Faster than Lightning, Fierce as the Greatest Dragon, Nearly Invisible, Floating in a Dream, Entered through the Demon Door, Destroyer of Evil in a Realm with a Red Sky Scarred, Who could I be ?
This is a little unrelated to other suggestions, but does anyone think that the GOTM and general polls should be placed where the "Worth A Click" box is? I know it might not affect most people but it'd probably remind me to actually vote more often
In regards to the other suggestions about GOTM - one thing I don't think we should do is over complicate things. At the end of the day, with the current system, the best games win the awards (unless people disagree with that?), so there is no need to make changes to a system that works as far as I'm concerned. That's unless it doesn't work?
Aww I want to be an admin again now I have to admit, I'm kind of missing it, especially as I've started work on an idea and the bug's bit me again.
The new admins have come as one big bundle and they haven't had the past experience of running a website as big and popular as this, so naturally they will be inexperienced and sometimes make mistakes. It goes with the territory and the same applies when you start a new job - you're not born knowing EXACTLY how the company works or EXACTLY what you're supposed to do.
In time, your skills will evolve and you'll learn from mistakes. You'll learn to be tactful and diplomatic, the quality of your writing will improve and the way you handle situations will also improve as you learn to deal with specific people, some of whom could simply be upset, others downright rude.
In my opinion (and I really hope what I've said hasn't patronised any of the new admins) you're all doing an amazing job. Believe me, I know what you're going through and there'll be more times of negativity ahead - but think of the rewards and good points. I've been there for SIX years (SIX!!!) and endured a hell of a lot of grief, but I just battled through. You guys will be fine I promise you.
THE GOTW PART
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Now, onto the GOTM idea. I have to admit I'm kind of unconvinced about the public voting, mainly on the grounds that some people will only play one game on the list while not giving the others a chance. So here's my idea.
We keep GOTM, but rename it "The Peoples Vote" in which everyone but the admin team can vote for the game they like best. A seperate GOTM poll would also be present, but ONLY THE ADMINS can vote - these awards are more meaningful as a result because they are supported officially by The Daily Click. Thats not to say that "The Peoples Vote" would be insignificant either - awards are awards however you look at them - but it would be more interesting to see the comparisons. That's just my idea anyway. And yes, I'm still missing being an admin!
If you think TDC can have flame wars you should try reining in a newspaper's 30-40 age group readership via the comments boxes and 800'000 hits a day. Particularly when the talking points are on subjects that actually matter, and affect the lives of them and their families, eg politics, education and Felicity Kendall's latest omelette recipe.
Edit: I've gotta say I'm not sure about The Peoples' Vote idea, because it only goes to increase the divide between 'admins' and 'members'. I personally see our everyday admins (not the owners, obv) as just regular members who have taken on the added task of helping to keep the site ticking over when real life permits, and that TDC is built on its inclusive voting, forum and comments system which, no matter the fights it can sometimes cause, is its best attribute. One visitors' vote for a game should count just as much as another person's.
Anyway, access to the staff forums has revealed the insane levels of behind-the-scenes effort you put into this site when you were an admin, and I suspect your fairness toward and sticking up for the posting rights of people who gave you a lot of abuse - even behind their backs, in forums they couldn't see - would soften even the hardest of those ye olde Circy bashers. So yeah, I'd support you coming back, but please be warned that now OMC's an admin we have a pretty demanding washing up/foot massage rota in place.
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I have to admit, I'm kind of missing it, especially as I've started work on an idea and the bug's bit me again.