... hope your trashcan isn't your suggestion box, cause this is a serious suggestion. The following was first posted on the news page under one of the headlines and I realised that it would make sense to put ideas for the site onto the boards for talk about TDC:
Hate to say it, but I too miss GOTW ... but I'm sure that GOTM must be a little easier on all you admins since you don't have to do a poll but once a month.
Of course, there are like 10 of you now or something (5 maybe?) ..
I haven't even played a single one of this months choices. I'm still trying to unlock all the characters on that stupid zombie game. I hate that I have to play back through the stupid thing over and over just so I can see the different character styles, but I'm almost there, got like 2 more to go. So far I like the sorceress girl best. The guy in red with the sword and gun has the most fun style of play though.
I think a GOTM-A and GOTM-B would be best, even though it doesn't sound as good title-wise.
Basically meaning that the first 2 weeks of a month should be set aside for GOTM-A, and the remaining days of that month should be set aside for GOTM-B.
This would keep too many games from appearing at once, and would also ensure that there are enough games to provide variety to vote between.
Just like the story goes, one bed is too soft, one is too hard, and finally, this one is just right.
One porridge is too hot, another too cold, but this porridge is the perfect temperature.
There is great wisdom in fairy tales if you are paying attention ... lol.
I'd like to see an EOTM (engine of the month) implemented too really, (a month would be fine for engines since you see more games than engines).
To qualify as an engine and be eligible, it should be opensource. Afterall, if the engine can't be used to make a game by a person, then it isn't an engine at all to that person, now is it? If it's not opensource then it should be considered a demo (as in demonstration) and be either not voted upon or voted on within a new DOTM (demo of the month) category. (A and B if you want, or even weekly DOTW)
So in conclusion, GOTM-A and GOTM-B, DOTW (or whenever), EOTM.
Geez, I can't seem to keep my wordings short, everyone probably thinks I'm ranting or something, but I'm just suggesting some ideas. In fact, I should place this in the suggestion box.
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There has already been lots of discussion concerning gotw vs gotm and i disagree with folks
for the return of the gotw after discussing this before. GOTM A and B does not seem to work since we tried this for a couple of weeks under the grand title GOT2W. There is just often not enough games being released.
For an example to show you if gotw was still around this is what it would look like
June
Week 1 selection:
Faerie Solitaire Turning The Tide and Star chaser
Week 2 selection:
Death From Above and Bloodbath
Week 3 selection:
A Space Battle v2 and World of Abstractica
Week 4 selection:
Clueless, Wacko Plus! v 1.8, Black Ghost OPS 2.0, Edge The Game, Shlurfy GreatPaint,
Spirit Seeker 2009 [Next Gen Compo], shock, SmartKlik (Vitalize!) Frog Bound,
and Picross Mania (full version as freeware)
Now, week 1 we got 2 big releases, only 1 can win.
Week 2, the same only 2 games to pick from
Week 3, again only 2 games to pick from
Week 4, 9! games to choose from but only 1 can win.
Very, very uneven, and a bit of a luck of the draw what type of game or games you will have together.
With gotm you get 3 deserving winners every month and it just makes more sense and is more fair to the authors of the games out there.
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Also having a GOTM insures the continuation of this award. It has been a huge issue in the past of delivering the gotw on time. You need steady and determined folks to do this every week. (AKA Chris Street did it for a couple of years) Working on a rotation basis simply fails in practise since the person needs to be in a routine in doing this every single week. Having it alter every month every couple of months simply fails and delays a gotw or simply its skipped.
I have been doing it myself every week for the past year but on most weeks it would not make any sense in doing a GOTW at all either because of lack of gaming submissions or votes, thats what brought having a gotm up.
With the gotm the votes have been going up and the right games are declared winners. I do not see any reason to go back now to be honest.
This has beena hot topic since the beginning of times really, nothing new
I think it's a nice notion MBK, but I agree that there are not enough games pumped out consistently. And we've had several times where the GOTW was cancelled due to lack of submissions. Perhaps later on when the member list doubles it may be more acceptable
Prejudice! I can't vote for game of the month because I haven't been here that long! Seriously. It makes me feel like not coming back. But next time I ought to release a complete game.
I'd say use the 3-award system already in place, but make it 2 times in a month, first two weeks of the month and remaining days in that month (days in a month vary). If there are 3 games or less per 2 weeks then everyone gets an award and is happy. Just decrease the amount of points given out per award to keep it from being too easy to accumulate points quickly.
@OMC, yes you're right, I've got to work on my brevity.
Edit: I truly would like an Engine award, because that's what I usually do is play around with engines.
I need to start making some really simple games and finish them though anyway, but it would be nice to have nontheless.
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Edit2: Sorry, just read your post Rikus, and it makes perfect sense ... maybe keep it monthly then, but add other awards to the fray on a monthly basis? EOTM (engine), DOTM (demo), SOTM (story), GUIOTM (graphical user interface), VOTM (video), FXOTM (sound or graphical special effects), COTM (character), MOTM (member of the month)
You could assign one or two to each admin.
The engine one is the only one I care about though.
Edited: Automation would be very nice to have, as you could do alot more with alot less time.
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I don't like having an award every month for absolutely everything - it's pointless and clutters the site up with too much information (the site is already cluttered up enough as it is).
The GOTW/GOTM system works fine as far as I'm aware - with the GOTM award you really have three winners, and it also makes sure that we actually have enough games to compete for the awards. I need to work on modifying the GOTM page so it actually displays the three winners soon.
I thought the GOTW where a week was skipped when there weren't enough games was still the best option. There are too many games for a GOTM and it discourages voting.
When I was a newbie, I didn't even look at the downloads page, I would just check out the entries nominated for the GOTW, but GOTM closes after a few days, so it might even be reducing accessibility to the games.
When there are two big releases in one week, that's just unfortunate, I guess. Give them a recommended star.
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I think that GOTM is working out nicely. It's sort of nice that it's discouraging votes. You only get votes that count now, and GOTM really sifts out the good games from the bad, instead of back then when you had the best of the best, or the least worst of the bad. GOTW also slowed down too much (became GOT2W for a moment) and was unfair to some of the better games. I don't think anyone ever took it seriously.
Engine/Application/Extension of the month sounds like a good idea, but there's not enough submissions.
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Originally Posted by Muz It's sort of nice that it's discouraging votes. You only get votes that count now
Not really, because the people who are being discouraged from voting are the ones who take care to actually play all the games and vote properly. The people whose votes shouldn't count will still vote without playing all the games.
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GOTM just doesn't feel right. :\ There was nothing really wrong with carrying GOTW over when there weren't enough entries. Now there are too many! I know that's hardly an argument but if I retyped all my thoughts I'd just look like an annoying nerd who cares too much about piddly things that don't really matter.
If GOTM's the way we're going, I'll be content and will support it, but I won't be participating in it often.
You still have a lot of "fanbois" hanging around here who just vote because they like the author. Unlucky though that we have a lot of great games to vote this month. May the best win.
It would be great if you could just "recommend" a download and not rate it at all. And you should be able to rate it 1-5 stars if you wrote a review and reviews should be reviewed by admins to avoid 1 liners or just 3 lines review to push for a vote. So no more I just rate to downrate or similiar stuff and 1-5 star rates depend on an actual review so at least the author has to justify his rating. This would also stop the wave of fanbois as I'm sure not all of them like to write reviews just to push a vote for a friend and this way they also have to step up from being anonymous.
Originally Posted by OldManClayton"Not really, because the people who are being discouraged from voting are the ones who take care to actually play all the games and vote properly. The people whose votes shouldn't count will still vote without playing all the games."
I liken the GOTM voting as very similar to presidential primaries (here in the United States). You have some candidates that will never be taken seriously; you have some well-meaning entries that may or may not do well based on their particulars; you'll have some very hot contenders because they have a solid PR/reputation/quality aspect to them. Eventually one of them wins out, though certainly not everyone agrees with the outcome.
As it stands, I see the games that are deserving of the GOTM awards receiving the attention they are due. A substandard game released after a week or two not receiving the same attention as some of the games that took months or even years to develop is not a bad phenomenon. Rather, by drawing attention to the well-made games, noobs like me have an idea of what it takes to make a well-received game (and hence win the monthly poll). I think that's the point of having feedback and comments available for each of the downloads: hearing what works, what doesn't work, and what's preferred or recommended by the folks who frequent this site.
For what it's worth, I side with Rikus and his perspective on this issue anyway (at the risk of putting words in his mouth): too many polls is too much maintenance for too little of a return. People who make games and post them here shouldn't take this as a personal affront; it's just that there's not enough time in the day to run recreational efforts like this as diligently as real-world (and real-paying) commitments.
If we must have polls, voting, and participation, then make it easy for the administrators to administer. The current system seems about right for the level of involvement of the admins, so why pile on more work? It becomes less fun and more of a hassle once you pass "the point of diminishing returns." I think anything beyond that level of maintenance causes burnout; revisit this issue once it becomes easier to administer/automate.
And for the record, I'm not fond of the polls anyway (I personally prefer group consensus as opposed to "majority-rules" voting), but at least in this case the voting is fun and harmless, not to mention quicker.
The point of it being too much work is moot since we haven't been given a chance to help. I don't quite see why you quoted me since what you wrote doesn't have anything to do with what I said...
If it was because of fanbois, I'd bet that Edge The Game would win
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@ OMC: "Not being given a chance to help" isn't something the general user base (like me) has anything to do with; that's an admin issue. I really can't respond to that and do it justice.
And the reason I quoted you was for a couple reasons:
--I take issue with the notion that one must 'take care to play all the games';
--I take issue with the notion that one must 'vote properly';
--My response dealt directly with those two issues (so yes, it actually did have something to do with your response); and finally
--Your comment inspired me to respond, in context with the larger discussion taking place.
It's unfortunate if you take offense to my quoting you (and that's what it seems like); I wasn't doing it to insult you or derail the discussion. But to be honest, I can quote whomever I please, whenever I like, regardless of how the original poster feels about it. That's the wonder of the Internet, isn't it?
O_o I was not offended and I don't understand why you would think I was. Give people the benefit of the doubt. Were you expecting me to disagree so automatically thought I was mad? Because I don't. There's nothing contradictory between what you said and what I said. It's a generally accepted rule that you play all the games in the poll before you vote and I don't understand why you'd have a problem with 'voting properly'... Seems better than voting improperly.
You seem to think I was commenting on something different than I was... because my post was merely a logical deduction based off of Muz's statement. O_o It wasn't even necessarily a view of what's going on, I was just saying why what he said didn't make sense. I don't understand why there'd be an issue with it especially when your post didn't say anything particularly relevant to what you quoted me saying...
Originally Posted by OldManClayton
Originally Posted by Muz It's sort of nice that it's discouraging votes. You only get votes that count now
Not really, because the people who are being discouraged from voting are the ones who take care to actually play all the games and vote properly. The people whose votes shouldn't count will still vote without playing all the games.
When I say "People whose votes shouldn't count", I'm talking about the ones who vote without giving fair consideration to all entries... I think you're thinking I was thinking on an entirely different track.
And by your reference to 'voting properly' I was thinking that you meant only those who would 'take care to play all the games' would be the ones to 'vote properly.' My bad.
I think we should scrap GOTW and have GOTM instead.... oh wait, i'm behind the times!
I miss GOTW, however i can understand why we don't have it anymore and i think GOTM is the better way to go. How can a GOTW be much of a reward when there are only 2 entries?! Then the next week there are 2-3 5-star games in the same week? That's nuts!
Yea, you know I had some time today to mull over it while eating some shoestring french fries and a steakburger, and I realized that it doesn't really matter which way we go, since good games are still recognized. Who knows, someday down the line we may have so many submissions that we have to go back to GOTW.
Whatever the case, as long as we all use common sense it should work out.
GOTM is fine how it is, but I think the reason everyone suddenly felt that it wasn't is due to the long list of games that they haven't played at all (it was the reason for me at least).
I'd just like to see an EOTM (engine of the month) OR maybe an EOTY (engine of the year) Yearly shouldn't be too taxing on admins, nor would it clutter up the site too much. Every 3 months maybe? could call it QEAward (QE = quarterly engine) .. then we'd have the nickname for it, QE (sounds like cue-E). ... Not too many people get to win a QE! .. Good Job! .. lol.
Hmmmm .... actually, couldn't I just make a poll in the VIP members area every last week of the 3rd month for a QE award?
Or can only admins make polls?
It'd be nice to see that VIP section actually used for something.
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MBK: "EOTM (engine), DOTM (demo), SOTM (story), GUIOTM (graphical user interface), VOTM (video), FXOTM (sound or graphical special effects), COTM (character), MOTM (member of the month) "
9 seperate awards each month? If these are all 1st, 2nd, 3rd place awards theres 27 awards each month. I don't think it's good to throw awards left right and center, within a month's worth of submissions if there was EOTM SOTM DOTM etc etc etc we will end up awarding every submission made. Sure, it's good to be rewarded for your work but at the same time if 50%+ of each month's submissions authors are receiving awards then it's not really a reward is it, it's more of a pat on the back than an award for doing really well with your submission. I think GOTM is fine, and if submissions came more often GOTW would be fine too.
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I like the GOTM system more, because mainly of the reasons Rikus said, it seems more logical thinking about it.
But, the only thing I dislike is you can only vote once. If there are 3rd/2nd/1st awards, I would like so I can vote for my first choice (that gets 3 points) my second choice (that gets 2) well you get the message.
But all in all, its a good system at the current time with the amount of games being released.
Nah, if those were all done it'd be one award a piece of course ... I wouldn't want all of those anyway, I just sorta threw a bunch out there because I figured people would say, "well, if you add an engine award, then why not add alot of awards for other stuff too?" ... <shrugs> ... the only thing I care for is the Engine award and the GOTM of course, although Artwork might be a good one to have.
Maybe just a "Special Mention" award each month and a statement of what it is for (engine, artwork, or something else on those lines)
that way it covers more than just engines, so you'll always have something to give the award for.
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Originally Posted by <Joel><Poobical>If there are 3rd/2nd/1st awards, I would like so I can vote for my first choice (that gets 3 points) my second choice (that gets 2) well you get the message.
I like the idea of 'instant runoff' votes like this. It's a matter of coming up with code that lets a single user select their first, second, and third choice (which I've not actually seen on any other websites similar to TDC yet). I reckon you would see a lot more points spread out across the board, and in fact some real surprises, particularly for third and sometimes even second place. More game-makers would feel better about the games they make, just because they received points when normally there wouldn't be any "extra points" to spread around. A point-based system allows for more personal preferences from the voters to shine through.
As it stands, I think I would be in a real bind if I were to vote. Being forced to stick to one choice only can be difficult, and this month is no exception; I'd honestly have to flip a coin to choose the recipient for my only vote.
Originally Posted by <Joel><Poobical>If there are 3rd/2nd/1st awards, I would like so I can vote for my first choice (that gets 3 points) my second choice (that gets 2) well you get the message.
I like the idea of 'instant runoff' votes like this. It's a matter of coming up with code that lets a single user select their first, second, and third choice (which I've not actually seen on any other websites similar to TDC yet). I reckon you would see a lot more points spread out across the board, and in fact some real surprises, particularly for third and sometimes even second place. More game-makers would feel better about the games they make, just because they received points when normally there wouldn't be any "extra points" to spread around. A point-based system allows for more personal preferences from the voters to shine through.
As it stands, I think I would be in a real bind if I were to vote. Being forced to stick to one choice only can be difficult, and this month is no exception; I'd honestly have to flip a coin to choose the recipient for my only vote.
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Originally Posted by -Adam- Also into the suggestion box: A poll next time admin applicants come forth.
I'd disagree with this. It seems the best admins are chosen undemocratically. In fact, the first admin election was a poll, and Mike canceled for some reason and made applicants write an essay, it was the same thing. There was also one time when it was chosen democratically and didn't turn out so well. The higher admins have a better picture of what the admin team has and what it needs and while I wouldn't have voted for some of the new admins, they turned out much better than I expected.
On the EOTQ..
I think an engine of the quarter would be nice. There's like 5 engines, 5 tutorials every quarter, so it's a nice amount of choices. The only problem is that I don't think too many people would vote. On that special mention, we had a Recommended tag for games and engines a while back, but the admins stopped doing that after people were complaining that their games weren't getting recommended
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It's just as likely that he's in the habit of responding to posts he agrees with. If you could reduce the number of digs at specific members and the frequently nonsensical negative commentaries on others people that'd be appreciated, Adam.
Not sure how I feel about the change from GOTW to GOTM - it's a much more prestigious prize now, with a lot more competition, but these last few months have pitted some of my favourite new klik games against each other. I think ultimately it's a good move, just for the sake of quality GOTM now represents.
Ill post as many opinions and observations as I like. I could be blunt like MasterM and just call people tossers or other vulgarities, but when I say something I more often than not have a perfectly valid point. And with that, I won't be asked how to behave by such a newbie member, with so little to show on the site.
TDC is a community site (a reason why people should have been allowed to choose which admins were chosen in the first place) and older members (providing they're normal and respected by most), or people who contribute the most to a site should be given the privileges. I would've thought Rikus would appreciate this idea considering how successful he wants TDC to be, with people helping him out throughout the years, and I guess he did with OMC and Jon_Lambert as people liked them and they were regular posters.
You need to gain authority and respect before you start throwing your weight around (about 5 people knew you when you got the admin position). I seem to recall you had fun deleting 5 or more comments on your first day as admin. If it's powerkicks you're after, perhaps you should have applied to Total Klik when it was still up and running. (Total Klik was another community website since before you were around )
How many people really have a problem with Robert? Really?
Adam, your entire argument against his adminship hinges on the fact he hasn't been here all that long. Is 2 years not enough? You really do choose some bizarre fights.
I'd hazard to say that the lead admin(s) should be the one(s) to determine who is granted or who loses admin status, regardless of the website in question. Unless I'm mistaken, that's how things have happened here. Popularity (or one's sense of entitlement) should have nothing to do with it.
Hullo Adam, I'm not going to give the issue much more time in this thread so you'll have to make do with what I give you. These are things I've said before, but you insist on forgetting them so I'll just link to this post from now on.
I've been kliking since 02, and a daily lurker on TDC since somewhere around 05, 06, infrequently visiting before then. This is the fourth time I've replied to you with this fact.
As for accusations of 'powerkicks', 'throwing my weight around'... I (unfairly?) see these as baseless insults. You've a knack for insults, and as they're usually about tearing people down I'm making a guess that they're down to your insecurity, and the anonymity the internet provides you. You may adopt valid points at times but you undermine yourself with a snide manner and strange grudges. An insult doesn't need to contain vulgarities to be an insult, as you know.
I doubt you believe most of the things you accuse me of, you're just trying to create drama, in the hope the online audience will in some way believe you. You've got a blend coefficient of 240, and it's a shame you waste your energies with this nonsense when you have an artistic ability to nurture.
I reckon you should make a new topic and we can see what the objections to me really are, perhaps you can encourage some people to post. You talk for these people a lot but I'd rather hear from them. Otherwise, I think you should stop pretending it's a large crowd of unknown people who have something against me and instead have the courage to admit it's you who has.
The many things you level at me, such as 'pretty boy' 'noob', 'pretending to be clever', 'powerhungry', your conduct on Gwerdy chat toward me, etc etc expose your personal grudge - one that bemuses me. I let it slip every time, because believe it or not, I can brush your opinions of me aside, but I'm an admin and if I see persistent unpleasantness toward other people I'll ask you to tone it down.
Does this seem unreasonable to anyone else? If you have a valid reply, Adam, please make that thread so this one can continue on topic from here.
What I don't get is how Adam keeps coming back for more after being totally massacred again and again. You don't even have a valid point to hide behind this time.
If we could steer this side conversation into the below thread to get things back on topic I promise to buy all your parents/guardians some lovely flowers.
Originally Posted by AndyUK How many people really have a problem with Robert? Really?
Adam, your entire argument against his adminship hinges on the fact he hasn't been here all that long. Is 2 years not enough? You really do choose some bizarre fights.
97% of TDC members agree with this post.
Wow, what are the chances, adam? I agree with the above on all counts!
Not sure how I feel about the change from GOTW to GOTM - it's a much more prestigious prize now, with a lot more competition, but these last few months have pitted some of my favourite new klik games against each other. I think ultimately it's a good move, just for the sake of quality GOTM now represents.
I think I've said this a few times, but there have been times when my favorite klik games were pitted against each other in GOTW. Every year there was something like that. That is generally a very nasty thing, because either game could've won had they been submitted the week after that. Heck, one of those games would've beat every other game for 3 months after that. At least here, if you have a few great games in a month, one of them is sure to win something.
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Here's where I stand now:
Every 3 months award for Engines (QE or EOTQ),
Every 3 months award for Artwork (QArt or AOTQ),
Keep GOTM, but add ability to choose 2nd and 3rd place votes (each vote gives (?)amount of points, so even if you don't win, everyone still gets some points for being in the running)
And I think people not getting games in an "engine" award running is a rather stupid reason for cancelling such an award.
If they want their game's "engine" to be placed in the running, they would need to post up the opensource engine of it just like everyone else. Tutorials and full opensource games could count as engines as well and be in the running for a QE/EOTQ.
Full opensource games get the honor of having a chance at 2 awards, (QE and GOTM) furthering the chance that people will upload such gems for others to learn from.
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This is a little unrelated to other suggestions, but does anyone think that the GOTM and general polls should be placed where the "Worth A Click" box is? I know it might not affect most people but it'd probably remind me to actually vote more often
In regards to the other suggestions about GOTM - one thing I don't think we should do is over complicate things. At the end of the day, with the current system, the best games win the awards (unless people disagree with that?), so there is no need to make changes to a system that works as far as I'm concerned. That's unless it doesn't work?
Aww I want to be an admin again now I have to admit, I'm kind of missing it, especially as I've started work on an idea and the bug's bit me again.
The new admins have come as one big bundle and they haven't had the past experience of running a website as big and popular as this, so naturally they will be inexperienced and sometimes make mistakes. It goes with the territory and the same applies when you start a new job - you're not born knowing EXACTLY how the company works or EXACTLY what you're supposed to do.
In time, your skills will evolve and you'll learn from mistakes. You'll learn to be tactful and diplomatic, the quality of your writing will improve and the way you handle situations will also improve as you learn to deal with specific people, some of whom could simply be upset, others downright rude.
In my opinion (and I really hope what I've said hasn't patronised any of the new admins) you're all doing an amazing job. Believe me, I know what you're going through and there'll be more times of negativity ahead - but think of the rewards and good points. I've been there for SIX years (SIX!!!) and endured a hell of a lot of grief, but I just battled through. You guys will be fine I promise you.
THE GOTW PART
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Now, onto the GOTM idea. I have to admit I'm kind of unconvinced about the public voting, mainly on the grounds that some people will only play one game on the list while not giving the others a chance. So here's my idea.
We keep GOTM, but rename it "The Peoples Vote" in which everyone but the admin team can vote for the game they like best. A seperate GOTM poll would also be present, but ONLY THE ADMINS can vote - these awards are more meaningful as a result because they are supported officially by The Daily Click. Thats not to say that "The Peoples Vote" would be insignificant either - awards are awards however you look at them - but it would be more interesting to see the comparisons. That's just my idea anyway. And yes, I'm still missing being an admin!
If you think TDC can have flame wars you should try reining in a newspaper's 30-40 age group readership via the comments boxes and 800'000 hits a day. Particularly when the talking points are on subjects that actually matter, and affect the lives of them and their families, eg politics, education and Felicity Kendall's latest omelette recipe.
Edit: I've gotta say I'm not sure about The Peoples' Vote idea, because it only goes to increase the divide between 'admins' and 'members'. I personally see our everyday admins (not the owners, obv) as just regular members who have taken on the added task of helping to keep the site ticking over when real life permits, and that TDC is built on its inclusive voting, forum and comments system which, no matter the fights it can sometimes cause, is its best attribute. One visitors' vote for a game should count just as much as another person's.
Anyway, access to the staff forums has revealed the insane levels of behind-the-scenes effort you put into this site when you were an admin, and I suspect your fairness toward and sticking up for the posting rights of people who gave you a lot of abuse - even behind their backs, in forums they couldn't see - would soften even the hardest of those ye olde Circy bashers. So yeah, I'd support you coming back, but please be warned that now OMC's an admin we have a pretty demanding washing up/foot massage rota in place.
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Seriously. 
It makes me feel like not coming back. 
But next time I ought to release a complete game. 
Were you expecting me to disagree so automatically thought I was mad? Because I don't. There's nothing contradictory between what you said and what I said. It's a generally accepted rule that you play all the games in the poll before you vote and I don't understand why you'd have a problem with 'voting properly'... Seems better than voting improperly. 
Not at all! I'm not so terse. 
