I don't want to sound arrogant here, so rather then jump to conclusions, I'm going to ask what you guys think. Who was necessarily in the wrong here? I mean judged based on what we see, not what might have happened before. Because I honestly can't really tell. Any insight and why?
This fight was preventable on both sides but if one person must be at fault I'd say it's the black guy. Reasons being:
1: it was the black guy who 1st muttered the shoe shine comment only to get upset at the guy for asking about it
2: the beard man did get up and leave to avoid anything physical
3: the black guy hit first so technically it was self defense
On the other hand, the guy in the beard could have shut up and just let the black guy talk crap about him without replying back. Also, his shirt says " I AM a MOTHER F****er" which kind of makes me question his character.
But honestly, i think the bearded man gave the guy what he deserved. I'm sick of people who act all scary and pretend to be offended about everything.
Originally Posted by Ricky This fight was preventable on both sides but if one person must be at fault I'd say it's the black guy. Reasons being:
1: it was the black guy who 1st muttered the shoe shine comment only to get upset at the guy for asking about it
2: the beard man did get up and leave to avoid anything physical
3: the black guy hit first so technically it was self defense
On the other hand, the guy in the beard could have shut up and just let the black guy talk crap about him without replying back. Also, his shirt says " I AM a MOTHER F****er" which kind of makes me question his character.
But honestly, i think the bearded man gave the guy what he deserved. I'm sick of people who act all scary and pretend to be offended about everything.
You've made some very valid points. Definitely gave me something to think about. I agree. Thanks.
I don't understand how anyone can't understand who was wrong and who was right in the fight... It's about as obvious as a practice hazard perception video
White man and black man argue, white man moves away, black man follows and attacks, white man defends. Pretty simple to come up with a conclusion for that, I'd say
Originally Posted by Ricky why do you think he was in the right?
Sorry, I misinterpreted some of the info. With the info given (reading it over a second time) I don't know which one's in the right; if either. It seems they could've been on 2 different topics, then got into a fight.
if a black guy wants to start a fight with a 67 YEAR OLD MAN he better be able to back his shit up. what a dumbass.
the guy was arrested but im not sure if or what he was charged with. throwing that many punches, especially when the other guy is already on the floor shielding himself, is NOT self defense.
theres another video of epic beard man being tased by police at a baseball game
"the guy was arrested but im not sure if or what he was charged with. throwing that many punches, especially when the other guy is already on the floor shielding himself, is NOT self defense."
Well to start with it was self defense, the black guy took the first swipe. He followed the white man and provoked him, so he got everything he asked for. The rest of the punches could be classed as an offense, but when you're pumped with adrenalin and angry you will keep going. I don't blame the White man at all in this case.
The same white man who was in the news before for causing trouble at a baseball game while intoxicated. Drunk old man and too easily offended black man. Black guy was the one who told the white get to get to the front of the bus and stop talking to him. White guy wouldn't shut his mouth. Black guy got what he deserved and if white guy went to jail, white guy got what he deserved.
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE The same white man who was in the news before for causing trouble at a baseball game while intoxicated. Drunk old man and too easily offended black man. Black guy was the one who told the white get to get to the front of the bus and stop talking to him. White guy wouldn't shut his mouth. Black guy got what he deserved and if white guy went to jail, white guy got what he deserved.
Right. So if you know all that, why ask who was in the wrong in the first place?
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE The same white man who was in the news before for causing trouble at a baseball game while intoxicated. Drunk old man and too easily offended black man. Black guy was the one who told the white get to get to the front of the bus and stop talking to him. White guy wouldn't shut his mouth. Black guy got what he deserved and if white guy went to jail, white guy got what he deserved.
Going to jail = gets what he deserves for defending himself? Okay. . .
Have to say it wasn't totally clear who started what here, but here goes;
The white guy appears to have instigated the arguement over something the black guy said, though without hearing properly what the black guy said (i think it was before the video anyways) i can't say whether it was a 'justified' reaction or not. However, it is clear to me both guys were up for an argument of some kind, judging by the slanging match between them and the black guy chose to make it physical (idiot) and in my opinion got his just-desserts. Not sure you could say it was self-defence what the white guy did, however i think a judge would come don on the white guy's side when you consider a) he did initially try to escape the conflict by moving to the other end of the bus, b) afterards, the black guy approached him twice, c) he was attacked first, d) he's significantly older, and e) how was the white guy to know that after all this, the black guy ould just stay down after initially falling? It could be argued he was so frightened he wasn't prepared to take chances. In light of a) - d), it is fair to say he has a case.
From my own personal point of view though, they're both a pair of idiots, however i'm glad the black guy got a beating i really am. To start attacking a senior citizen is completely unacceptable and he deserved to be punked out in front of those girls - looooooooser!!!
Originally Posted by AndyUK I wonder if his bag was returned to him?
Yes his bag and money was returned.
The black guy (supposedly) is going to jail because he violated his parole, max sentence 10 yrs.
The white guy is a bit crazy, but apparently the argument was started over the black guy being racist. The white guy asked his friend if he could use some money he borrowed to buy some shoes for his moms funeral. He said "I'll have my boy shine them." and thats what started it - go figure. The dumb black guy wasn't minding his business and said "Whys it gotta be my boy?" and they kept on and it eventually ended up with the black guy "Getting pissed" about EBM talking about his own brother so the black guy obviously retorted with "Whys it gotta be your brother."
As you can see in the video, EBM pretty much told the black guy to gtfo when he told him to move to the front. He only moved to the front to get away from the guy and the guy pursued and hilarity ensued.
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE The same white man who was in the news before for causing trouble at a baseball game while intoxicated. Drunk old man and too easily offended black man. Black guy was the one who told the white get to get to the front of the bus and stop talking to him. White guy wouldn't shut his mouth. Black guy got what he deserved and if white guy went to jail, white guy got what he deserved.
Right. So if you know all that, why ask who was in the wrong in the first place?
Unlike you, apparently, read stuff up on it. One of the links which was on this thread. I asked who was wrong beforehand. Figured you'd assume that much at least.
Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE The same white man who was in the news before for causing trouble at a baseball game while intoxicated. Drunk old man and too easily offended black man. Black guy was the one who told the white get to get to the front of the bus and stop talking to him. White guy wouldn't shut his mouth. Black guy got what he deserved and if white guy went to jail, white guy got what he deserved.
Going to jail = gets what he deserves for defending himself? Okay. . .
How many times do you need to punch a guy until it's not considered defensive anymore? The guy was on the ground covering his face. I doubt at this point, he's a threat.
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE Originally Posted by -Adam-
How many times do you need to punch a guy until it's not considered defensive anymore? The guy was on the ground covering his face. I doubt at this point, he's a threat.
Nothing happened to him, and he didn't go to jail = apparently as many as he feels like. Just FYI the black dude was still starting shit AFTER they both got off of the bus. Yes they both got off so apparently one ass beating wasn't enough. You are supposed to be able to kill someone in self defense.
EBM is such a legend; i was laughing at the stuff he was saying until he started crying over his mum, that made me sad... but then he made me laugh again
He was treated like a hero by the sheriffs and lawmen afterwards, giving him lifts everywhere and buying him coffee; generally making him feel like someone special because he stood up against idiot criminals.
I can't help but imagine how much different that would have ended if it had happened in this country; EBM being arrested and charged with assault, probably receiving 6-months. The black guy getting another community service and probably some compo for his injuries too (obviously paid for by EBM), then being allowed out on the streets again to do more crime and generally being seen as a hero by his lawless, scum-bag mates.
Man i hate the way this country looks after the criminals better than the victims
Originally Posted by ωξяξW○○F Yeah, I think the black guy was in the right.
But...
i laughed about this one. shame the original video got removed. i assume this one is an edited version of the original video so im like hmm im wondering what the original one was like but this one was good enough- they put fritzl in it lol
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