so ive watched hostel last night and while ive got to admit some of the ideas in that film are good i think it is just TOO violent. im still shocked about some scenes and surprised it wasnt really cut on tv.
so my question is: do we really need such violent movies?
i personally think a movie can be pretty good without displaying all that violence and it is kinda sickening.
Can't say i need them, personally, but i do enjoy them - the gorier the better! Everyone has their own personal threshold, and the gore-threshold is no different. No doubt there are people out there who say "do we really need games?", and we know those people are crazy old fools.
So i say "yes".
(BTW, Hostel 2 is tamer and crapper in comparison to Hostel 1)
i mean i enjoy violent video games like dead space and gears of war but dead space 2 is just so exaggerated and they trimmed to cram as much violence into it as possible it just becomes dumb.
just like hostel i think. it tries to shock you that much and yeh i kinda got sick by the stuff in it and if the story is great the movie could do without those effects but oh well
Obviously the story isn't going to be good enough to stand on its own - it's not trying to be big and clever, it's just a bit of fun.
I personally like gory horror movies (although admittedly I do prefer Asian style horror movies - more psychological horror - eg. The Ring, The Grudge, The Eye, etc).
I watched "All the Boys Love Mandy Lane" last night (Mmmm... Amber Heard), which I thought failed (partly) because it wasn't shocking enough. There was neither gore nor suspense, and you really need one or the other (if not both) to make a good horror movie.
I find it kind of funny how people like my parents really hate strong language in films/tv - yet they watch endless amounts of shit crime dramas on ITV3. It seems they're totally fine with people going around murdering each other, just as long as they don't use a naughty word while they're doing it...
It's the same with soap operas. Violence, drugs, crime, adultery - all fine. Saying the F-word - not acceptable.
i really enjoy the f-word topic and find it to be interesting.
i see you are from the UK so i am surprised the so called f-bomb is a problem. in fact lets just say "fuck" see im german and we guys probably dont have any manners. we dont need a silly word like "n-word" or "f-bomb" to hide we actually mean "fuck" we just say fuck all the time and our language and movies tend to have swearing in it- like hell even the word "swearing". i wasnt really aware of it until i learned it in english. i just thought it was a common thing and it comes naturally here.
different cultures are different i guess so yeh interesting to hear this coming from a brit. always assumed only yanks get butt hurt over it
also what horror films are pretty good then? any suggestions
i like 30 days of night
the evil dead series (including army of darkness)
brain dead (which is pretty violent but in a hilarious way)
I refuse to watch the Saw movies, final destinations and Hostel films. Ive seen the Hostel 2 and some of the final destinations. They're excuses for gore.
Originally Posted by -Adam- I refuse to watch the Saw movies, final destinations and Hostel films. Ive seen the Hostel 2 and some of the final destinations. They're excuses for gore.
No, we do not need violent movies. Here's a list of other things we don't need:
- Jazz Music
- Romance novels
- The Bible
- Pokémon games
- Beer
The list can go on and on. My point is even though we don't need it, some of these things can be nice to have. I don't listen to Jazz music, but I don't go around saying that we shouldn't have any Jazz music just because I don't enjoy it myself.
If someone watches Hostel then kidnaps a girl and tortures her in his basement it says more about their personality than the movie itself.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Well, there are two ways (and I'm probably limiting things) of showing violence in films. One is through mimesis, where you quite literally just show the action of violence. This can be from very effective verbal violence, like "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?" or "Scenes from a marriage", to James Bond or Saw. The former two also contain the other type of violence: diegesis. With it, instead of showing the violence, you only talk about it. You'd immediately think it boring, but since you don't see it, you have to imagine what happened (and here's where things get strange, since you project your personal vision of violence into the film). This is, to me, the more effective form of violence, and also the most elegant. Showing blood will never compensate for good dialogue, and it certainly isn't as cathartic.
They remade it? With Nicholas Cage? What were they thinking?!
Anyone see "Ghost Rider"? Just watched it last week - truly terrible film!
I always liked the remake of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (the one with Jessica Biel - much better than the original / sequels). Also:
Anything with zombies (don't really count them as horror though - that's kind of a genre in itself).
Anything with rednecks/cannibals (eg. "Wrong Turn" - and "Wolf Creek", sort of).
Any Asian horror movies.
Most teen horror movies (always hated Scream though).
Anything of those movies that combine horror and soft-core porn.
I generally don't like the "classic" horror movies that are always on people's top 10 lists - stuff like "Halloween" or "The Shining" are just really boring to me.
Originally Posted by Marko On another point, what about violent sports? Do you consider them on the same level as films (realism in sports vs. gore-factor in films)?
I'm not a big sports-person, but as long as it's between consenting adults I'm ok with it.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
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