Originally Posted by Marko On another point, what about violent sports? Do you consider them on the same level as films (realism in sports vs. gore-factor in films)?
I'm not a big sports-person, but as long as it's between consenting adults I'm ok with it.
Is it not similar between a consenting film maker and consenting adult audience too though? That was my thought on it
speaking of halloween i did rotoscoping for some shit upcoming horror film no one on this planet is ever going to watch but the interesting thing: the editor of the original halloween edited that movie so it was very interesting to look at the time line and how he cut the whole movie.
also i think stuff with rednecks is cool. i did enjoy wrong turn a lot but sadly part 2 just sucked.
ive also gotta admit alonso got a good point there. often showing the actual violence is a cheap trick and its cooler if the movie projects pictures on your mind without showing you the pictures and you will think up stuff yourself.
its probably a bit like aliens in movies. like if creatures are always just hiding in the shadows and body parts get briefly displayed in the dark- thats way more scary then well showing you the whole thing.
also what sports are violent?
does cloverfield counter as a horror movie? i really love it.
i also think blair witch project is quite scary and it shows pretty much nothing. i watched it with a friend in the cinema when it got released and it bored me to death and i hated it- 6 years later i watched it on tv and i suddenly found it to be scary as hell.
Originally Posted by Marko On another point, what about violent sports? Do you consider them on the same level as films (realism in sports vs. gore-factor in films)?
I'm not a big sports-person, but as long as it's between consenting adults I'm ok with it.
Is it not similar between a consenting film maker and consenting adult audience too though? That was my thought on it
Read my post again I never said I was against gorey movies. It was a literal answer to MasterM's question.
I guess I should be more clear. I'm not a fan of gorey movies, but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed to watch them.
Originally Posted by MasterM also what sports are violent?
Wrestling, boxing...
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Well, there are two sides of the "violent movies are bad" argument.
The first is that some insane kid kills his mate after watching a violent film. It's not the movie's fault, the kid was unstable to begin with. The Bible has killed more people than any horror movie ever has.
The second is that it's just not tasteful, which is an opinion. I find the idea of people telling other people what to think disgusting, cause it reminds me of this guy.
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Trash is fine so long as I don't have to watch it, but I'm outraged when exploitation masquerades as being highbrow. Look at bloody Hannibal, which is stuffed with inept, utterly hollow signifiers of sophistication - it's just taking advantage of dumb viewers. Or Pan's Labyrinth, which uses tasteless violence as window-dressing in a story so one-dimensional it'd be funny, if it hadn't convinced the world that it wasn't a big old shitheap.
Peter Greenaway made a couple of particularly gruesome arthouse films - The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover is awesome, whereas The Baby of Macon makes Salo look like a laugh riot.
My list of good horror films: The Wicker Man 1973 director's cut, The Shining, Dawn of the Dead
That guy was a baaaaaaaad man! And Phred, sorry mate - i misread your post and thought it was MasterM replying! My bad!!
Also, violent sports: i would say UFC is most violent that i can think of (sports widely recognised, that it - there are worse but they are generally unknown to most people of the world), especially the earlier ones when there was no time limits, no gloves, and hardly any rules.
Here's an example - UFC 4, Keith Hackney throwing punches to the groin on Jo Son (all within the "rules"):
does cloverfield counter as a horror movie? i really love it.
i also think blair witch project is quite scary and it shows pretty much nothing. i watched it with a friend in the cinema when it got released and it bored me to death and i hated it- 6 years later i watched it on tv and i suddenly found it to be scary as hell.
I enjoyed "Cloverfield" too, but a lot of people seem to really hate it. I've actually seen it on a few people's "top 50 *worst* film" lists, and never really understood why.
If you don't like them, don't watch them. Most people don't enjoy them. They're cult films for a reason, only a select few watch them, and they really really like them.
I do like Saw because of the way the storyline plays out, rather than the gore, but it's just not for everyone. It'd actually be a better film without the gore, but oh well. Silence of the Lambs was very, very violent, but were not gory on screen, so a lot of people actually liked it.
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How much of what exists in this world, do we actually need? A lot less then any single person is even capable of admitting, much less willing to. So do we need violent movies? Absolutely not. But just like people who want to watch a movie with way too much sex or making out, there are people who want to watch overly violent movies.
Just because you can't understand someone doesn't make them wrong.
Violent horror films are just rubbish and boring. Why would I want to watch obvious blood-filled props being broken open for one and a half hours? You can just go to TheYNC and watch actual gore. On the other hand, violent action films (like Total Recall) are the awesomest.
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Originally Posted by marky_2 Violent horror films are just rubbish and boring. Why would I want to watch obvious blood-filled props being broken open for one and a half hours? You can just go to TheYNC and watch actual gore. On the other hand, violent action films (like Total Recall) are the awesomest.
Lets not mistake your stated opinion as a stated fact. I personally don't find mindlessly violent movies appealing either... but there are a lot of things in this world that I've been shown to not understand about people and their tastes.
house of 1000 corpses
the devils rejects
splinter
the crazies
the texas chainsaw massacre (the original. i disagree with sketchy. ALL the remakes and their sequels were shit)
[*Rec] (not Quarantine. it wasn't as good imo)
The Signal
The Host
Versus
The Devils Backbone
Let The Right One In (The original Swedish film. Haven't seen the american remake)
Funny Games (German OR American Remake. They are the same movie scene for scene just with different actors)
Theres probably a lot more i just cant think of and aren't on my netflix rated movies list. I think you'll find that foreign films do a better job at horror (and movies in general). by foreign i mean non English spoken movies (French, Spanish, Japanese, German, etc.)
Also going off hearing what someone recently said, bloody gory violent horror films for the sake of being violent (sometimes called torture porn) are never as good as horror movies about the triumph of the human spirit, Intelligent horror films. Now i love violence especially when it is portrayed realistically or artistically stylized, so i enjoy movies like hostel and saw, but i enjoy intelligent horror films so much more.
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Can you believe Scream 4 is being released this summer though??
I never said I was against gorey movies. It was a literal answer to MasterM's question.
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My bad!!
