Originally Posted by Ricky I respect the man and absolutely hate the company and it's cult followers
I could not have said it any better my self. Great man though, he co-founded Pixar. It's for this, I will remember him by. He believed in what they could achieve and man did they. Oh yeah, and he an executive producer on Toy Story. So yeah, this man touched more of the world than with just Apple alone.
I would disagree, Sinclair made affordable products. (the first computer to cost less than £100)
Apple makes screenless mp3 players with 1 or 2gb space that cost more than other manufacturer's players with screens and larger capacity.
Unless you're talking about the Apple II, but that was the Woz's genius behind it (and other manufacturers soon caught up with it)
I did mention Sinclair strived to make things cheaper (I own a ZX81 and a Spectrum, amongst other things ), rather than stupidly overpriced "fashionable" computers. Do not get me wrong I have orders of magnitude more respect for Wozniak and Sinclair (they are electrical engineers after all, like myself ), but I still have respect for Jobs and his accomplishments even if I do hate the company and the iSheep herd.
I was more commenting on Sinclairs and Jobs ability to make electronics look more acceptable to the mass market. At the time in the UK we had things like the Dragon 32, Acorn BBC, and numerous other big ugly computers. Sincliar made tiny computers which do look better (IMO). The ZX81 and the Spectrum are tiny machines, quite hard to realise how small they are until you see them in real life.
Originally Posted by ..::hagar::.. Originally Posted by Phredreeke At the time in the UK we had things like the Dragon 32, Acorn BBC, and numerous other big ugly computers. Sincliar made tiny computers which do look better (IMO). The ZX81 and the Spectrum are tiny machines, quite hard to realise how small they are until you see them in real life.
That has more to do with production cost. Small unit = less materials = cheaper to build.
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Usually, people buy apple products such as the iphone and ipad not because they are fashion or trendy but because they are actually good and innovative, or at least were at the time they were released.
Of course, it's easy for someone with little knowledge in tablet computers or smartphones to brand them as crappy and overpriced toys people buy because they are trendy. I do believe some people think like that, and the apple brand does sell but that's not how jobs saved a company from imminent bankruptcy to turn it into some call the most iconic technology company ever. People call him a visionary for a reason; he simply released the right products at the right time, innovating and opening new markets or widely expanding existing ones.
They do have their irritating fanboys, but so do microsoft, nintendo, sony etc...
There are more people who gawk over anything with an Apple logo, than there are people who stand there actually looking at the technical specs saying "Hey, this might actually be worth the steep price tag."
TBH, not all of Apple's products are overpriced. iPod Classic is fairly reasonable considering the storage space you get (although it still requires you to use proprietary software to upload music to it). But then you also got the herpyderp iPod shuffle, which has none of the features you'd expect of an MP3 player in that price range (more like something you'd get for free in a box of cereal...).
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Originally Posted by Silveraura There are more people who gawk over anything with an Apple logo, than there are people who stand there actually looking at the technical specs saying "Hey, this might actually be worth the steep price tag."
That's not exactly true. Saying that half of their buyers are influenced by the fact that a certain product is manufactured by apple is debatable, but not a lot of people fork 600$ in a phone solely because it has the apple logo on the back without knowing what they just bought, let alone say that's half the iphone userbase.
Apple is a well known brand, and a lot of people associate it with quality, just like nike shoes for example. Some nike shoes suck and are horribly overpriced, but the majority are awesome and probably deserve their steep price. The same also applies for apple. Going for apple products is not necessarily a case of going with the flow or being trendy, specially in the world we live in. Showing off your brand new iphone is more likely to get you robbed than impress anyone.
@ Johnny Look : TBH I can not see the use of tablet devices like the iPad. A netbook is a lot cheaper and allows me to do a lot more ( i.e. run windows or linux and any software I want to regardless of Apple's approval), with the added bonus of an input device with actual tactile feedback.
Perhaps I just have hands like a gorilla, but touchscreen keyboards generally irritate me. Seems to take me a lot longer to type on such devices...
And I do know people who have a iPhone (brought sim free), yet do not even have free internet on their contact, the same person also wants to buy a MacBook without ever having even tried one.. I think there is some followers (but the same goes for every product!).
Phone wise I personally prefer the Xperia play, it's pretty ideal for emulation
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Oh yeah, and he an executive producer on Toy Story. So yeah, this man touched more of the world than with just Apple alone.
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), rather than stupidly overpriced "fashionable" computers. Do not get me wrong I have orders of magnitude more respect for Wozniak and Sinclair (they are electrical engineers after all, like myself 
), but I still have respect for Jobs and his accomplishments even if I do hate the company and the iSheep herd.
