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Anyone who knows me, knows that I was never really a big Apple fan. But that doesn't mean that I didn't have respect for Steve Jobs. He encouraged the world of technology to actually try to be better than what money efficiency would allow for.

I know this probably isn't the best place to make a post like this, it's not klik related... but it is big news in the technology world, which we all here do take part in.

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i agree. i was just about to make a post about it so im glad somebody already did showing that people care.

ive always hated osx, apple as a company and the way they behave and ive hated steve jobs. from reading bigraphies he was quite a douchebag. i still suggest the movie Pirates of Silliconvalley. it's pretty good.

note that i make a living as Movie Editor using Final Cut 9 hours every day. So I am more of a Mac user than a PC user.

still: besides me hating jobs and apple this is quite a shock. The iphone 4 Ass just came out yesterday and THEN Jobs dies? WOW what a timing. IS it good timing?

Option 1) People were disappointed its no iphone 5 so his death will overshadow the crappy Ifag 4s
Option 2) Given the fact people were disappointed Jobs was just like "cant be bothered" and dropped dead

but yeh he made quite some innovative stuff AND you should note apple was going downhill when he left and was doing fine again when he came back in the late 90s. I am curious to see how Apple will do with him gone now. It's certainly weird.

also the fact he died will make him a LEGEND now. thats for sure. he will be the rockstar of the technology world like kurt cobain or jimmi hendrix. if he had died of age it would have been a different matter. HELL say he would have died with 90. imagine what apple/technology would be like then if he were still around (if apple will still exist then).

 
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Cancer sucks but I'm not sure he's really the legend he's made out to be.


Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games.

They had an idea to turn Pong into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.

Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.



 
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6th October, 2011 at 15:52:49 -

I have much the same view as MasterM, but it's still a sad day - the guy brought a company back around, was clearly smart and made contributions to the world (even if I do dislike Apple products and the iSheep crowd).

I always thought Wozniak was the real brain behind the old Apple too - also it has been alleged that Jobs never gave any money to charity (no publicly listed donations anyway). Modern Apple PC's are just X86 machines in pretty boxes with Unix and a pretty GUI, but an increasing number of people seem to like them.

I class him a bit like Clive Sinclair (although Sinclar is an electronic engineering genius), his products was not technically the best out there but he tried to make them a bit more usuable and fashionable compared to machines of the era (Sinclair did make them cheaper too though, unlike Apple).


 
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Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..

I class him a bit like Clive Sinclair (although Sinclar is an electronic engineering genius), his products was not technically the best out there but he tried to make them a bit more usuable and fashionable compared to machines of the era (Sinclair did make them cheaper too though, unlike Apple).



I would disagree, Sinclair made affordable products. (the first computer to cost less than £100)

Apple makes screenless mp3 players with 1 or 2gb space that cost more than other manufacturer's players with screens and larger capacity.

Unless you're talking about the Apple II, but that was the Woz's genius behind it (and other manufacturers soon caught up with it)

 
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Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Cancer sucks but I'm not sure he's really the legend he's made out to be.


Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games.

They had an idea to turn Pong into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.

Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.




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6th October, 2011 at 18:05:57 -

Apple seems to be more of a social symbol among my friends who have their products.

It's like designer clothing. Cheap materials that are dressed up to look fancy, and adding the apple logo makes them feel like they're part of the club.

The iphone was really their only good product although some would disagree with me.
It's not the hardware that makes it good, its the software. No matter how fast the cpu is in a droid they're still hindered by non-intuitive software. Not to mention their app store is pretty crummy. Hopefully all that changes though.

I also have an ipad 2 to make apps for it (still haven't, but I've tested some stuff using mmf, pretty neat but not enough time since I'm in school still) and I'll be honest, it's junk to me. I can't do much with it. Browsing the internet is worthless since it can't view half of the content correctly. Only popular sites are any good on it. If ipad 3 has flash support that would be great! And it might just happen if Jobs is gone. (not to disrespect him in anyway, I'm not glad he died.)

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Originally Posted by MasterM
Where did you get that from?



Wikipedia Although there are contradicting sources about it so it may or may not have happened that way.

 
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6th October, 2011 at 19:39:01 -

I'd like to know how that was "known" it seems unlikely that he would tell anyone if he actually did that.

And besides everyone does stupid things at some point in their life. No one is perfect.

 
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Originally Posted by . : UrbanMonk : .
I'd like to know how that was "known" it seems unlikely that he would tell anyone if he actually did that.

And besides everyone does stupid things at some point in their life. No one is perfect.



Well, there's the guy who wrote the check (Alcorn), the guy who cashed it (Jobs) and the guy who was supposedely paid half of it (Woz). Now if Alcorn wrote a check for $5000 and Jobs gave Woz $375 of it it's not hard to figure out the rest.

That wasn't my point though. My point was that Woz was the real genius.

 
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7th October, 2011 at 00:00:32 -

So when Woz created a more efficient breakout game instead of Jobs that made him the real genius?
I'm not saying your wrong, I just don't get how that story validates your statement, true or not.


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He might have done stupid things when he was younger but who didn't ?
That surely wouldn't take his status as a legend or whatever you'd call him, you don't need to be gandhi or mother teresa to reach that status. One thing you can't take away from him, he was incredibly successful at what he did and he loved it so much he kept at it until he had only little more than a month to live. That's what made him huge, and that's why everyone is grieving him now, even people who are indifferent to apple products like me.

I recommend anyone to watch his keynotes and interviews, there is a huge lot you can learn from him regardless of whether or not you like him or his work.
I recommend this one speech in particular:
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Also wozniak wasn't the real genius. Apple reached it's peak in these later years and wozniak has been out of the company for almost 25 years. He deserves credit for the Apple I and II, booting up the company but that's about it.

 
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Originally Posted by Johnny Look
Apple reached it's peak in these later years



In other words, when Apple products became a fashion statement...

 
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I respect the man and absolutely hate the company and it's cult followers

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Originally Posted by Ricky
I respect the man and absolutely hate the company and it's cult followers



I kinda agree. I hate the followers who only like the products for completely materialistic purposes.

 
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Originally Posted by Ricky
I respect the man and absolutely hate the company and it's cult followers



I could not have said it any better my self. Great man though, he co-founded Pixar. It's for this, I will remember him by. He believed in what they could achieve and man did they. Oh yeah, and he an executive producer on Toy Story. So yeah, this man touched more of the world than with just Apple alone.

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Originally Posted by Phredreeke


I would disagree, Sinclair made affordable products. (the first computer to cost less than £100)

Apple makes screenless mp3 players with 1 or 2gb space that cost more than other manufacturer's players with screens and larger capacity.

Unless you're talking about the Apple II, but that was the Woz's genius behind it (and other manufacturers soon caught up with it)



I did mention Sinclair strived to make things cheaper (I own a ZX81 and a Spectrum, amongst other things ), rather than stupidly overpriced "fashionable" computers. Do not get me wrong I have orders of magnitude more respect for Wozniak and Sinclair (they are electrical engineers after all, like myself ), but I still have respect for Jobs and his accomplishments even if I do hate the company and the iSheep herd.

I was more commenting on Sinclairs and Jobs ability to make electronics look more acceptable to the mass market. At the time in the UK we had things like the Dragon 32, Acorn BBC, and numerous other big ugly computers. Sincliar made tiny computers which do look better (IMO). The ZX81 and the Spectrum are tiny machines, quite hard to realise how small they are until you see them in real life.

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Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
Originally Posted by Phredreeke
At the time in the UK we had things like the Dragon 32, Acorn BBC, and numerous other big ugly computers. Sincliar made tiny computers which do look better (IMO). The ZX81 and the Spectrum are tiny machines, quite hard to realise how small they are until you see them in real life.



That has more to do with production cost. Small unit = less materials = cheaper to build.

 
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Usually, people buy apple products such as the iphone and ipad not because they are fashion or trendy but because they are actually good and innovative, or at least were at the time they were released.
Of course, it's easy for someone with little knowledge in tablet computers or smartphones to brand them as crappy and overpriced toys people buy because they are trendy. I do believe some people think like that, and the apple brand does sell but that's not how jobs saved a company from imminent bankruptcy to turn it into some call the most iconic technology company ever. People call him a visionary for a reason; he simply released the right products at the right time, innovating and opening new markets or widely expanding existing ones.
They do have their irritating fanboys, but so do microsoft, nintendo, sony etc...

 
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There are more people who gawk over anything with an Apple logo, than there are people who stand there actually looking at the technical specs saying "Hey, this might actually be worth the steep price tag."

 
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TBH, not all of Apple's products are overpriced. iPod Classic is fairly reasonable considering the storage space you get (although it still requires you to use proprietary software to upload music to it). But then you also got the herpyderp iPod shuffle, which has none of the features you'd expect of an MP3 player in that price range (more like something you'd get for free in a box of cereal...).

 
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Originally Posted by Silveraura
There are more people who gawk over anything with an Apple logo, than there are people who stand there actually looking at the technical specs saying "Hey, this might actually be worth the steep price tag."



That's not exactly true. Saying that half of their buyers are influenced by the fact that a certain product is manufactured by apple is debatable, but not a lot of people fork 600$ in a phone solely because it has the apple logo on the back without knowing what they just bought, let alone say that's half the iphone userbase.
Apple is a well known brand, and a lot of people associate it with quality, just like nike shoes for example. Some nike shoes suck and are horribly overpriced, but the majority are awesome and probably deserve their steep price. The same also applies for apple. Going for apple products is not necessarily a case of going with the flow or being trendy, specially in the world we live in. Showing off your brand new iphone is more likely to get you robbed than impress anyone.

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@ Johnny Look : TBH I can not see the use of tablet devices like the iPad. A netbook is a lot cheaper and allows me to do a lot more ( i.e. run windows or linux and any software I want to regardless of Apple's approval), with the added bonus of an input device with actual tactile feedback.

Perhaps I just have hands like a gorilla, but touchscreen keyboards generally irritate me. Seems to take me a lot longer to type on such devices...

And I do know people who have a iPhone (brought sim free), yet do not even have free internet on their contact, the same person also wants to buy a MacBook without ever having even tried one.. I think there is some followers (but the same goes for every product!).

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Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
@ Johnny Look : TBH I can not see the use of tablet devices like the iPad. A netbook is a lot cheaper and allows me to do a lot more ( i.e. run windows or linux and any software I want to regardless of Apple's approval), with the added bonus of an input device with actual tactile feedback.

Perhaps I just have hands like a gorilla, but touchscreen keyboards generally irritate me. Seems to take me a lot longer to type on such devices...

And I do know people who have a iPhone (brought sim free), yet do not even have free internet on their contact, the same person also wants to buy a MacBook without ever having even tried one.. I think there is some followers (but the same goes for every product!).

Phone wise I personally prefer the Xperia play, it's pretty ideal for emulation



The ipad is pretty neat piece of hardware though personally I think it's a bit overpriced. I'd gladly buy one for 400$ or so, but as it is it's way too much for my pocket.
As for typing with a touch pad, it's mostly a matter of getting used to it. My phone has a touch pad and at first it took me some time to type a simple text message but after a while I wouldn't imagine myself typing with buttons anymore.

As for your friend, what do you mean by "he doesn't have free internet on his contact" ? Most people I know use wi-fi and at least where I live there are wifi spots almost everywhere in the city. And I do agree that some people are apple fans in the sense they will buy anything if there's the apple logo somewhere in it, though I don't think your friend needs to try out a macbook before buying one, it's a pretty standard mid to high range laptop except it's a mac, with all the pros and cons that come with that.

As for phones I played a bit with a sony ericsson that looks a lot like a psp and from what my friend, the owner of the phone, told me it's by far the best one for gaming. The only problem is it's android so it doesn't have a catalogue nearly as big as the iphone but there are some exclusive games for it.

edit: oh wait, we are talking about the same phone.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Look

Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
@ Johnny Look : TBH I can not see the use of tablet devices like the iPad. A netbook is a lot cheaper and allows me to do a lot more ( i.e. run windows or linux and any software I want to regardless of Apple's approval), with the added bonus of an input device with actual tactile feedback.

Perhaps I just have hands like a gorilla, but touchscreen keyboards generally irritate me. Seems to take me a lot longer to type on such devices...

And I do know people who have a iPhone (brought sim free), yet do not even have free internet on their contact, the same person also wants to buy a MacBook without ever having even tried one.. I think there is some followers (but the same goes for every product!).

Phone wise I personally prefer the Xperia play, it's pretty ideal for emulation



The ipad is pretty neat piece of hardware though personally I think it's a bit overpriced. I'd gladly buy one for 400$ or so, but as it is it's way too much for my pocket.



wow after reading that i had to look it up on amazon. i always thought it costs like 400 but that price is insane. id rather buy a good computer that that price. we have a shitload of ipads at work (mostly 2s now) and i just dont find it to be fancy at all. lets talk about tablet computers once they are indeed tablet computers and not just bigger iphones as in lets talk about this again once you can actually do stuff with those things.

 
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Originally Posted by Johnny Look

Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
@ Johnny Look : TBH I can not see the use of tablet devices like the iPad. A netbook is a lot cheaper and allows me to do a lot more ( i.e. run windows or linux and any software I want to regardless of Apple's approval), with the added bonus of an input device with actual tactile feedback.

Perhaps I just have hands like a gorilla, but touchscreen keyboards generally irritate me. Seems to take me a lot longer to type on such devices...

And I do know people who have a iPhone (brought sim free), yet do not even have free internet on their contact, the same person also wants to buy a MacBook without ever having even tried one.. I think there is some followers (but the same goes for every product!).

Phone wise I personally prefer the Xperia play, it's pretty ideal for emulation



The ipad is pretty neat piece of hardware though personally I think it's a bit overpriced. I'd gladly buy one for 400$ or so, but as it is it's way too much for my pocket.
As for typing with a touch pad, it's mostly a matter of getting used to it. My phone has a touch pad and at first it took me some time to type a simple text message but after a while I wouldn't imagine myself typing with buttons anymore.

As for your friend, what do you mean by "he doesn't have free internet on his contact" ? Most people I know use wi-fi and at least where I live there are wifi spots almost everywhere in the city. And I do agree that some people are apple fans in the sense they will buy anything if there's the apple logo somewhere in it, though I don't think your friend needs to try out a macbook before buying one, it's a pretty standard mid to high range laptop except it's a mac, with all the pros and cons that come with that.

As for phones I played a bit with a sony ericsson that looks a lot like a psp and from what my friend, the owner of the phone, told me it's by far the best one for gaming. The only problem is it's android so it doesn't have a catalogue nearly as big as the iphone but there are some exclusive games for it.

edit: oh wait, we are talking about the same phone.



That's the whole point with my gripe with Apple, without jail breaking I do not need the catalogue/market for my purposes. It's great for emulation - and I can install emulators without having to go through app store/market on android.

Also I class the iPad as a prime example of bad hardware design. Proprietary connectors (any piece of hardware using proprietary connectors I class as crap tbh! There are industry standards , lets use them!), internal battery (built in obsolescence), internal storage (built in obsolescence and SD cards can offer great speeds, and at least I can change them), single tasking and a huge piece of glass protecting the screen (built in calamity) ?

No thanks . I just have a problem understanding why anyone would buy a piece of hardware with control such that I can not decide what software I want to run, without the company vetting it first.

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13th October, 2011 at 17:22:01 -

I'm all for standing up against Apple, anyone who knows me knows this. But this is a tribute thread to Steve Jobs. While I hated his company and most of his products... the man did more than just Apple. Look at Pixar. He might not have single handedly created the whole studio, but if it weren't for him, Pixar probably wouldn't be here right now. He believed in them, and helped co-founded the company.

 
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That's kind of my thinking, I respect the guy and his achievements but I really hate Apple and it's policies.

That said the media is really annoying me, according to them he invented everything including the GUI we all know and love. That was invented by Xerox, not Apple, IBM or MS.

 
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This was the price he had to pay for trying to steal ms costomers.

 
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