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11th June, 2012 at 11/06/2012 20:12:35 -

For Diablo 3 I don't think online only is as bad as people think.

What happens when you let people play their multiplayer characters offline? Cheating happens.

Diablo 2 dealt with it by separating Realm characters from Open characters. Now if you ask anyone in the Diablo 2 community, the Realm characters are the only ones that matter. So in Diablo 3 all characters are Realm characters...

But lets assume the game had a single player mode. What would happen is that once you beat Normal difficulty you would hit a brickwall, needing better gear to progress. Normally you would check the auction house for upgrades (or pass some down from another character, but lets assume this is your first one) but instead you would end up farming gear instead of progressing through the game.

However I do think it sucks for Blizzard not to have sufficient capacity at launch.

 
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12th June, 2012 at 12/06/2012 01:50:23 -

First of all I like having that choice. This online only attitude with Developers is getting tired fast. I commend the effort to enforce anti-cheating but a decent group of gamers (at least the type I'd adventure with) wouldn't stoop that low in the first place.

I am sorry but there must yet still exist a better way and Blizzard once again dropped the ball. Anticipation equals disappointment...

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12th June, 2012 at 12/06/2012 06:18:56 -

Yeah, it would have been nice if they offered an offline mode (which would have reduced load on the log-in servers at launch...)

I still don't think the game would work past Normal without trading though

 
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12th June, 2012 at 12/06/2012 20:04:57 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Yeah, it would have been nice if they offered an offline mode (which would have reduced load on the log-in servers at launch...)

I still don't think the game would work past Normal without trading though



The problem with that is that the architecture of the game is more akin to an MMO than a single player game. The resources are indeed on your computer, but all instructions for quests, drops, etc, etc come from the diablo 3 servers. It's not just a log in server.

 
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14th June, 2012 at 14/06/2012 09:12:16 -


Originally Posted by NostalgicAlgorithms
Wow that's a lot of assumptions.



I made zero assumptions. -_-


Originally Posted by NostalgicAlgorithms
As for landing yourself in jail for selling a MMORPG account it can happen because it did at my university. (A student in the previous video game design class.) When you sign up for an MMO you usually agree to certain terms and conditions. Selling an MMO account or virtual gold to another player is a HUGE violation of those rules. Kids from Korea and some other countries were buying up this guys accounts through paypal. In some of these very same countries people mine virtual gold or level up characters in order to make a living. (YES ITS TRUE) This is highly illegal as far as our government is concerned. Okay so Blizzard is not making you give them money but you must admit this is yet another cheap tactic to sucker money out of gamers. Games can be addictive after all! Seriously these big developers look at gamers the same way they'd look at a bunch of rabid baboons. They are mindless but they need food so here.... "throws garbage"

[...]

1. America.
2. I'm not sure of every little detail. He found a way to generate millions of gold in some MMO and had the FBI at his doorstep for this virtual gold mining which he then sold to receive real world cash.
3. Breaking the EULA won't send you to jail but shady transactions and hacking just might! I will ask my former teacher Monday if she remembers what happened to her student.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming#Law.2C_regulation_and_taxation

Seems perfectly legal to me. Cause for concern maybe, but still legal. As for your last bit there, you make it sound like he was not just selling legitimately earned virtual goods, but hacking and exploiting for financial gain, which the fbi may have interest in stopping. Jail time for the hacking maybe, certainly not for account selling/gold farming, unless they were illegally obtained in the first place.


Originally Posted by NostalgicAlgorithms
<rant on why steam sucks>
I hate it when people praise and defend Steam like its gods gift to both gamers and developers. Its terrible how long you must wait while gigabytes of data downloads. What about being forced to upgrade games when Steam feels like telling you? If you try and block the annoying ads the program takes a dump. (I hate being bothered when I'm gaming.) I don't care what other people are playing or about worthless achievements. Steam sucks because you only rent the software instead of actually owning a physical copy.



Apparently you just need some patience. As for the "ads", you CAN turn them off. Just disconnect from the community network, or go into your settings. Never had anything "take a dump" because of that. As for renting the software, do you know anything about licensing? even if you own the physical disc the software is on, you do not "own" it. You own a license that allows you to use it.

Im sorry AVP decided it didnt like your computer, but again, that has no bearing on steam as a delivery service. If you do not like having to download data, or update games, that is your personal perrogative, and should not reflect badly on steam as a service (as they make no attempt to state it is anything but what you just described it as). Instead of saying "steam sucks, here's why" (to which i have never heard anyone argue successfully, without only ever stating isolated incidents, or personal opinion about certain design desicions) and instead saying "i have some real problems with steam, that prevents me from using a reasonable service" i would have to completely 100% agree.

Good luck surviving being a gamer, cause digital distrobution is where it is heading.

Btw, I would never bash on anyone using XP because I use XP. And again, have never had a problem with it or steam (at least none that I couldnt just figure out how to fix myself).

As for me needing to:

"Take some time and learn how computers work then you may realize why Steam sucks. A lot goes on behind the scenes... Data Mining woo waa whee!
Corrosive registry entries.... It just makes me sick.",

if you ask anyone who knows me personally, or anyone on this site who knows me, I guarentee you that they will say i know more about computers than most people here. I personally Own and operate 8 computers, so i would definitely say i DO NOT need to learn about how they work. I am VERY well aqcuanted with most of how they work.

I cannot attest in my personal opinion through my usage and research that any of that is true about steam. You sound like some people i know who think google is trying to spy on everyone by hacking their laptop cameras, and mining all our personal information. Which is not in fact true, and the only data they "mine" is what you allow them to in order to make your online experience more comfortable and enjoyable and to serve you ads that may interest you.

 
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14th June, 2012 at 14/06/2012 09:35:11 -

Back to diablo 3. It is what it is, and you're missing out on a fantastic game if you don't play it because of these petty gripes. They are all reasonable, and after a bit of initial launch turbulence, everything is working just fine for the most part (i still get the occasional lag).

Gamers are self entitles pricks for the most part. People even went as far as complaining about the difficulty levels in the game. "Inferno is too hard. It needs to be balanced more so everyone can play it". NO! f**king NO! that's not what it's there for! It is there for the extremely hardcore players who want a challenge, and are willing to put in the time to beat it. They're called difficulty levels for a reason. They get DIFFICULT!

 
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14th June, 2012 at 14/06/2012 10:40:23 -

Remember, before people actually got to Inferno themselves they complained that it was too easy because of a handful of people pwning it (who was playing more or less 24/7 and had countless of fans donating gold to them)

 
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14th June, 2012 at 14/06/2012 19:51:27 -

"Assuming"

Guess I should stop relying on Dragonspeak so much. (more proofreading less auto-correct!) I'm glad you still use XP since it's a great OS. My reasons for disliking Steam are valid and reasonable. I don't particularly like forced updates, suspicious outgoing internet traffic, long downloads, corrosive registry entries, service downtime and data mining. I only want to buy a game, install it and play! KISS - Keep it simple stoopid! I could go on and on but this debate is losing its steam.... (pun!) Not paying taxes on income will get you in trouble. I'd rather not roll the dice nor waste money on virtual goods.

If you think something like SKYNET doesn't exist in this age then you have wool over your eyes. I'm friends with retiree who served in the Gulf War and worked for the Police in the cyber crimes division. His words: "It's true that in the pre-2000 era you could get away with almost anything on the internet.That all changed thanks in part to al-Qaeda." So much goes on behind the scene's. Heck, virtual wars are happening as we sit here typing.

Read:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

Take one of those 8 computers you have lying around and do a little experiment. First perform factory restore and after the OS loads immediately connect to a few random sites on the internet. In almost no time you will get a virus/spyware/mailware infection. The internet in a sense IS A VIRUS. Companies like Google only mine what you allow them? (Maybe in a perfect world) Wouldn't it be great if everyone played that nice? Knowledge is power and you can't tell me information is not a tool of war. Controlling information is a very powerful weapon in itself. Google taking over my webcam? Now that's silly! Just accept the fact that each of us are only a number. Much like a single byte stored on a hard drive.

Digital Delivery is a great concept. Sadly it's executed poorly by "some" companies. When you purchase game the user should not be stuck with something like Steam and given no choice to opt out. As a avid PC gamer I like having one! I'd even be happy to pay an extra $5 for a physical copy of a game. That's the root of the problem, you cannot BUY a game without a extra service leeching off the game like a zombie. Steam still sucks and I'll be glad to see it go. If I lack the patience for it then so be it because I can remember when things were better...







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15th June, 2012 at 15/06/2012 18:57:41 -

I'm looking forward to Path of Exile, Torchlight II, Grim Dawn all as great potential ARPGs, TL2 in particular. I am not a fan of the AHRPG genre however so I'll stay far away from Diablo 3. Heck, they have worse itemization in that game than I had in Gridquest...

 
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15th June, 2012 at 15/06/2012 20:50:53 -

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uzc6j/diablo_3_2_reverse_patch_notes_note_this_is_a_joke/

 
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17th June, 2012 at 17/06/2012 15:12:09 -

Great! Auction house is open for real money and now I sell my items!
Any of you plan to use the auction house to sell or buy stuff?

Just saying, I am in it only for the allmighty money! =
That is why I bought the game from start! Cashing in!

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18th June, 2012 at 18/06/2012 13:13:18 -

NastyMan has my favourite comment so far.

 
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So the other day Blizzard released patch 1.0.4

I love what they've done to the Witch Doctor. Pets are viable in Inferno, even the Zombie Dogs which I stopped using in Nightmare. With them, Gargantuan and Fetish Army I can have the army of minions that I wanted since the game came out

 
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24th August, 2012 at 24/08/2012 09:01:54 -

haven't had a chance to play lately. patch sounds like it will breath some life into the game for me some more.

 
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