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7th July, 2017 at 07/07/2017 00:47:23 -

So there's this song from Flanville that I liked that played during the afternoon / evening hours in the game, and I'd like to have some idea what the song was / where it came from. some of the other songs from the game were from other games, so there's a good chance it was from somewhere else.

Unfortunately, since Flanville no longer runs without its server, I have no way of finding / recording the actual song, so the best I've got is me playing it on a MIDI keyboard from memory. So it might not be completely accurate or very pretty (turns out it's REALLY difficult to record from a digital instrument in Windows 7), but I gave it my best shot:

http://www.l-ames.com/logan/flanville.mp3

Anybody recognize it?

 
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28th August, 2017 at 28/08/2017 16:32:32 -

When you mentioned the afternoon, that reminded me of Animal Crossing: New Leaf, where there are multiple AM and PM tracks that are playing during the game.

And sadly, it does sound a bit familiar to me, but I can't really make out any identification for the track you played.

Sorry, buddy.

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It DOES sound familiar, but I just can't put my finger on it

Would you mind if I used that theme you made for any of my games?

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The midi I have from Flanville 108 is Kaori's Theme from Super V. G (Japan) [version 1.09]. Version 1.12 of the song is available from https://www.vgmusic.com/file/3ade3d9542c53049a51bfdc8e1afdcd3.html

Is this what you were looking for?

 
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Originally Posted by Joshtek
The midi I have from Flanville 108 is Kaori's Theme from Super V. G (Japan) [version 1.09]. Version 1.12 of the song is available from https://www.vgmusic.com/file/3ade3d9542c53049a51bfdc8e1afdcd3.html

Is this what you were looking for?



Do you perhaps know from which game is the afternoon theme used in Flanville (the music that Fifth played on his MIDI keyboard)?

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21st January, 2018 at 21/01/2018 21:25:50 -

I don't know, but if I ever figure it out I'll let you know. Have you tried asking Scott?

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22nd January, 2018 at 22/01/2018 16:24:58 -

If you have the executable you could likely extract the midi from it somehow. I would assume it wasn't encrypted or anything, just look for the midi header. It's likely appended to the back of the exe as part of the resource file, but I don't know enough about the way clickteam does it to say for sure.

Anyway I'm sure you could find a tool to search binary data to look for this:

http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~r92092/ref/midi/

 
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22nd January, 2018 at 22/01/2018 22:32:36 -

Oh!
As it happens, I once made such a tool! It goes through uncompressed data and extracts MIDI files.
...unfortunately, it didn't find anything in the game, so the sound and MIDI data are probably compressed. It was worth a try, anyhow.


Originally Posted by The MPP
It DOES sound familiar, but I just can't put my finger on it

Would you mind if I used that theme you made for any of my games?



That seems like a weird thing to ask of me, since I'm not responsible for the original melody in any way, but if you want to use my keyboard recording of it then go ahead.


Originally Posted by Joshtek
The midi I have from Flanville 108 is Kaori's Theme from Super V. G (Japan) [version 1.09]. Version 1.12 of the song is available from https://www.vgmusic.com/file/3ade3d9542c53049a51bfdc8e1afdcd3.html

Is this what you were looking for?



Just wondering, how DID you come up with this guess? It's not the song, but were you able to extract that title from somewhere?

 
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Just wondering, how DID you come up with this guess? It's not the song, but were you able to extract that title from somewhere?


That was the metadata from the MIDI which showed up in my temp folder (%TEMP%\Crt2A3A.tmp\Mid0.mid) when I opened Flanville. The music is used in the loading screen.

 
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Originally Posted by Joshtek
I don't know, but if I ever figure it out I'll let you know. Have you tried asking Scott?



Scott's a busy guy, and I actually DMed him about his old lost 2003 games if he still has them, just so I can archive them.

If he doesn't respond for 3 weeks, I guess you could say that he sure has some others things on his mind.

Can you find try to find them?

The games I asked him are; Elemage, RPG Max (okay, that's a 2002 game), Lost Island, Ships of Chaos and Phantom Core.

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24th January, 2018 at 24/01/2018 00:43:50 -

I don't know where any of those games are but if I come across them I'll let you know.

 
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Originally Posted by Joshtek
I don't know where any of those games are but if I come across them I'll let you know.



Alright.

Here's a sad thing; even if you find them mentioned on DC GOTW posts, it'll say that they're removed, or heck, not archived.

 
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Originally Posted by ConvertingBoi

Alright.

Here's a sad thing; even if you find them mentioned on DC GOTW posts, it'll say that they're removed, or heck, not archived.



I don't know for sure but I think scott had those removed for some reason. He kinda scrubbed this site a while back.

There was a fight in the comments (with Adam of course who is now Ski) for a review of one of his games here:
http://create-games.com/review.asp?id=3331

Here's the archived download page for this game:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080711134107/http://www.create-games.com:80/download.asp?id=7237

He posted a rant about how terrible fusion was in another thread right before he hit it big with FNAF, and then came back and apologized for the rant. The post might be hard to find now though.

I'm just curious how you found out about those older games from 2002? I didn't know he made anything that long ago.

 
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Originally Posted by UrbanMonk

Originally Posted by ConvertingBoi

Alright.

Here's a sad thing; even if you find them mentioned on DC GOTW posts, it'll say that they're removed, or heck, not archived.



I don't know for sure but I think scott had those removed for some reason. He kinda scrubbed this site a while back.

There was a fight in the comments (with Adam of course who is now Ski) for a review of one of his games here:
http://create-games.com/review.asp?id=3331

Here's the archived download page for this game:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080711134107/http://www.create-games.com:80/download.asp?id=7237

He posted a rant about how terrible fusion was in another thread right before he hit it big with FNAF, and then came back and apologized for the rant. The post might be hard to find now though.

I'm just curious how you found out about those older games from 2002? I didn't know he made anything that long ago.



Well...; https://web.archive.org/web/20030211182507/http://www.scottgames.com/

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29th July, 2019 at 29/07/2019 02:18:13 -

Update: I believe Flanville featured the following songs:
China.midi
eterwind.midi
ff2jshrine2.midi
ff3jlute.midi
som_lastboss.midi
tnhome.midi
TN_-_Bird_Paradise.midi
tophydro.midi
topsaku.midi
top_fithingspirit.midi
Town_of_Water_(promise_of_love_remix).midi
T_AVGFighteDeath_Omake.midi
T_AVGFighter_KaoriTheme.midi
T_AVGFighter_YukaPianoRemix102.midi
T_GuardianLegend_MaohNoKouya.midi
T_GuardianLegend_SeaBattle.midi
T_GuardianLegend_TorimichiMidasu.midi
T_HiryuNoKenIII_BattleTheme1.midi

Is the song you want som_lastboss.mid available from https://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/som_lastboss.mid (Game System: Super Nintendo, Game Name: Secret of Mana, Song Title: Mana Beast - "Meridian Dance" (3))?

 
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8th August, 2019 at 08/08/2019 07:00:53 -

Oh, thank you for bringing this to my attention!

So, the mystery song isn't the one you linked, but it is one of the ones on my list.
And I'm sorry I never updated the thread here, but the mystery was already solved, and it was thanks to Convert2Double! He put together a Reddit thread a while back to archive the music Scott used in his games: https://www.reddit.com/r/scottgames/comments/7az1ql/list_of_all_theme_songs_that_scott_cawthon_used/

And the mystery song was in there! It was a town song from Tales of Phantasia, the Town of Water/Hydropolis/Venezzia. I realize I never thanked him properly for solving the mystery, so if you're around Convert2Double: Thank you! I'm grateful you helped put to rest this 15-year-old mystery of mine!

And I don't mean to seem ungrateful, Joshtek, I don't even know how you came up with the list of midi files used in the game, but I'm sure it could have been a very strong lead otherwise! I'm almost curious how the mystery would have unraveled in that direction.

 
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8th August, 2019 at 08/08/2019 18:24:44 -

He basically dumped all of the MIDIs used in the game. That's how he was able to make the list of MIDIs.

 
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9th August, 2019 at 09/08/2019 23:04:12 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54P9rHZKDe8

0:36 ?

 
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11th August, 2019 at 11/08/2019 06:48:44 -

That's the song, yeah!

Wow, glad to see people out there have been able to get the game running again!

 
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