I just need to vent against Clickteam somewhere. > I got MMF 1.0 sometime around 1999, I think. I remember waiting with baited breath for 1.2 to come out. A few weeks ago I found out about 1.5, I figured YAY, I can get the newest version. But after a quick look at the website, I found to my dismay I gotta pay for it. Oh well, 25 (what I heard) bucks isn't that bad. I e-mail the upgrade guys to find out it's only a 30% discount!! That's only $30 less than I paid originally, for a patch? What kind of a rip off is that? I e-mailed Jeff V. and he says they don't have a record of my name, but still, if I've got a valid serial number, how do they figure $70 is a fair price for a freaking patch? </rant>
This is why we make use of that thing that they install with the program called "Register Multimedia Fusion" under your program's folder in the start menu! =
Doing this will make it easier for the company who made the program to track down who you are and if you really did buy it to verify if you are valid for what special offers in the future!
$70 is a very good price, considering what you're getting is a super over powered game and application designing program that has the power to destroy computers.
Anyway that does sound abit like you've been screwed but in most cases like this its the buyer who gets screwed. So dont go thinking its really bad that you've been screwed by clickteam because everyone gets screwed by everyone else.
Clickteam is godzilla and the rest of we are 100,000 screaming japanese... but not because they want money for their product SHOCK HORROR... what's next? Electricity bills? They're evil for way worse reasons which I'm too tired to go into now.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Just wait until they graduate from school and are forced to get their own jobs, and if they don't move out into their own place they are forced to pay home rent by their parents in the meantime. They'll have a new thing to call evil, and they'll realize it's worse than paying $70 once for a product. =P
I dont believe Click Team is evil or anything alike.
I got a dicount when I bought MMF1.5 ... I had TGF retail and got a discount even withought showing any evidence ... they never asked ... I could prove it easily of course as I DO have it.
MMF 1.5 is almost a new product compared to MMF1.0 ... so I dont think its interely unfair to pay for a new product.
Oh my... perhaps I should've kept my mouth shut. I wouldn't say 1.5 is a completely redesigned package though. I've got the demo and the majority of the things I noticed aren't all that huge and great and new. Pardon me if I'm just ignorant. By the way... Does anyone remember if you used to be able to buy MMF right from the IMSI site?
See, I was working on a game one time, and the game required a lot of objects on one frame. Unfortunately I seemed to hit MMF 1.2's maximum object per frame limit. In MMF 1.5 they removed all of those limits, though, so when I got MMF 1.5 I was able to actually open my file again.
That's what I get for working on and creating a global RPG battle engine for a whole game with a bunch of different characters and techniques to use. -_-
This topic just proves how little you know about companies. Let's explain it to you:
COMPANIES require MONEY to SURVIVE. COMPANIES sell PRODUCTS for MONEY to earn PROFIT, but to PRODUCE these PRODUCTS will COST MONEY. If the amount of PRODUCTS SOLD does not COVER the COST of producing it, the COMPANY will go BANKRUPT. PRODUCTS may be LOST or SOLD to other COMPANIES which (more often than not) make it WORSE.
Now listen to Chamzel, for his words are true. If you still have doubt, go look at any other company's upgrades and retail version prices. Clickteam's a lot more generous than most others.
n/a
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
21st January, 2004 at 15:31:08 -
want to upgrade macromedia studio mx to mx 2004? go ahead. it'll only cost you $300. chris is right, clickteam are very generous with regards to pricing, considering what you get for your money. in fact, you can sell your products with MMF standard (with the fueled by fusion logo of course), so if you made and sold a game with MMF clickteam wouldn't see a cent. so for that small price of £50 you can make as much money as you want. i can't see how that's bad value.
Yes, that's why I'm afraid to buy Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro (Paint Shop Pro being cheaper, $100 versus $400), because I keep getting that strange feeling that once I buy it they're instantly going to release a new version of the software, which would then set me back another $50-350! ><
I wanted to buy MMF 1.5 Pro, actually, because it just gets more stuff and goodies put into it, even if I don't use every feature there is to have in MMF 1.5 when I'm messing around. I could also buy Photoshop through my college's book store and get a student discount. That ought to drop it down a few hundred dollars if I'm lucky. I think I'll go download the demo and use it until it expires again, though, for now!
I don't think Clickteam is evil. If you really want MMF 1.5 really badly, just save up. I saved up my lawn mowing money to afford MMF. Now extreme game making power is mine!
Well, I guess ya'll've convinced me, I'll go buy my upgrade for $70, I guess I was just a little pissed to have to pay what seems so much for an upgrade, but Clickteam sells their stuff for a lot less than some other companies, and they don't ask for royalties.
"want to upgrade macromedia studio mx to mx 2004? go ahead. it'll only cost you $300. chris is right, clickteam are very generous with regards to pricing, considering what you get for your money. in fact, you can sell your products with MMF standard (with the fueled by fusion logo of course), so if you made and sold a game with MMF clickteam wouldn't see a cent. so for that small price of £50 you can make as much money as you want. i can't see how that's bad value."
But that's not all! Buy using your credit card in the next 10 minutes and get this free set of steak knives that even cut through your shoes!!! Everyone needs knives that can do that!
This has been a Pete Nattress/Clickteam ass kissing paid production
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
It's not a freaking Patch, it's a super cool new version! MMF 1.5 is nearly a new product, and you have to pay for it - though 70 bucks is very much. Patches update from build to build and they are free.
Hmm, people have forgotten to mention the glitches. Damn those glitches. If clickteam is evil (and I'm not saying they are) it's because of the glitches in MMF1.5 that aren't in TGF. Things like an inability to copy frames between acive objects, and the way you have to keep clicking copy until it decides to actually copy the frame, and the way you can't tell where an object is going to go when dragging it on from the side, and the way that if you're at the wrong zoom level in the picture editor the graphics go glitched when you try and do anything, and the list goes on. Fortunately the games themselves are pretty stable. My only other problem is the fact that they made a sequel to Romeo and not Zeb, which was vastly superior to Romeo 2 anyway. Oh, and the fact that the upgrade pack has only given me a few of the objects (iso grid, platform and save game -all the fun ones- not included).
Why the hell am I on the computer at 1 in the morning? No, don't answer.
MMF 1.5 does have some problems, I know how copying animation frames between actives can be annoying (I got annoyed over it too).
But TGF's list of glitches, bugs, crashes and annoyances is at least six times longer than MMF's! I can't stand TGF any more, after using MMF for a few months I just uninstalled TGF because if I tried to use it again, I just got restrained by the clunky interface, bugs and crashes, and the fact none of my favourite shortcuts were there (e.g. double click to edit a condition).
But these glitches are addressed very quickly. A couple of months ago 3 patches (service packs) were released in just over a week-by most software companies' standards that is a huge amount. There is a bug box where users can post bugs they find, and they will be looked into asap.
The glitch bug problem I dislike most about MMF is...
When I go to copy or cut something, I may have to command MMF to copy or cut multiple times before it actually picks up the image onto the computer's temporary memory. Half the time when you copy or cut, the paste button will grey out as if there's nothing to paste. You don't know how angry I get when that happens when I just tried cutting something! >< In other words, it just deleted the thing I wanted to move with a Cut command without any way to undo and restore it. So I had abandoned the Cut command and just repeatedly hit the Copy command many times until I got the paste button to pop up and stay up.
Luckily they said that in MMF 2 they are using the Jamagic art and graphics engine... At least I think luckily. I have no idea how the Jamagic art and graphics stuff goes, but hopefully the buggy stuff in MMF's image editors are gone then.
But when it comes to graphics these past couple of years I've done a whole sprite sheet for every character in an external art program and import them. =
Indirect flames can often be harmful, Smet. = Please direct who you are refering to with your last post!
Whining about buggy programs? I dunno, it's a well known fact that Windows is super duper buggy, but people still buy it and rely and depend on it over all else for the grand majority of the planet.
Advertisement
Post Reply
I got MMF 1.0 sometime around 1999, I think. I remember waiting with baited breath for 1.2 to come out. A few weeks ago I found out about 1.5, I figured YAY, I can get the newest version. But after a quick look at the website, I found to my dismay I gotta pay for it. Oh well, 25 (what I heard) bucks isn't that bad. I e-mail the upgrade guys to find out it's only a 30% discount!! That's only $30 less than I paid originally, for a patch? What kind of a rip off is that? I e-mailed Jeff V. and he says they don't have a record of my name, but still, if I've got a valid serial number, how do they figure $70 is a fair price for a freaking patch? </rant> 
Edited by the Author.
