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17th March, 2004 at 17:35:00 -
the stupidest one, whoever that is. americans always seem to vote for the stupider candidate, and even if they don't, the stupider candidate will win because the electoral system is ridiculously screwed up.
i agree with pete- the electoral vote system is super screwd...
lets see...kerry was a war hero, bush got out as soon as possible.
bush has a falling economy whilst clinton finally got the us out of considerable debt- time for kerry!
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See, I used to think the Electoral system was real bad and stuff. But heres the thing about that. In all the history of America, only twice have electoral voters voted against popular vote.
So, I don't really think it's too screwy. Although, it did screw us out of a good president last election, didn't it?
John Kerry is better. See, what people have to realize is that the war is that Pres. Bush said the war in Iraq was started because of Imminent threat of WMD's. None were found, thus far.
If he had waited, played along with the U.N. and done his homework other countries wouldn't be so pissed at the U.S., and a more international force would be in Iraq.
The Iraqi people deserved to be freed from Saddam Hussien, but that raises some questions. If Pres. Bush is now stating that a main reason for the war was to free those people from Saddam Hussein, then why aren't we in other countries like that? There are countries far worse then Iraq. Syria, Libya, North Korea, and elsewhere. Why aren't we freeing those people, perhaps cause they don't have oil in there country?
Another thing thats bothersome is the fact that I don't feel any safer. Not at all. Here's why. In Spain, there was that terrorist attack in which those trains were blown up. People can just walk onto trains and do that kind of thing. Why doesn't the U.S. build up some fences around are power plants, or maybe some technology that can detect bombs. Those bombs on those trains were set off using cell phones. Overall, I just want more security here on the home front. Thats where it needs to start, and thats where it hasn't started. Since 9/11 the firefighters still haven't gotten some new walkie talkies and equipment that would've saved lives on 9/11.
I don't know about you, but I'm more afraid of the KKK then Al Queda. They planned to blow up a powerplant in Texas, that was foiled. Take a look at http://www.impiousdigest.com for more info on that.
Why Iraq? Simply coz it's the easiest target. Not only has it been crippled by years of economic sanctions, but they're also hoping that the people would rise up against Saddam after some propaganda. You see, the main reason why US attacked before they got the results from the UN was partly to surprise attack and partly because they feared the UN wouldn't find anything. The US needs a base in the middle east if they're to go on with their plan to colonize third world countries. Of course, their heavy propaganda against/to the Iraqi people is obviously eroding.
Heck, judging from what's been happening throughout the world, I very strongly doubt that al-Qaeda would do all that. Al-Qaeda simply doesn't have the resources to do half the things they claim to do. And of course, if you question a 2nd-class terrorist group, they'll say that they belong to al-Qaeda. They denied the 9/11 incident at first, but after the 'freedom fighter' reputation they got later on, they openly admitted to it. And I think that it's very suspicious that the CIA just found a video tape of them planning it. If I was a terrorist, I wouldn't even video tape a discussion unless I wanted people to find it. Well, I've got logs on my attempts to take over DALnet, but if I actually intended to do so, I'd have deleted and formatted my hard drive.
This 'war against terrorism' is just a hoax for the public and you've made it clearer right there. It got ratings for Bush during the 9/11 incident, but now that the Americans have calmed down, a lot of them are realising that a war is a very, very unsafe idea.
Though personally, I think John Kerry looks a tad too squeaky clean. He's like one of those presidents who'd pop out of a futuristic sci-fi movie.
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Kerry'll take money out of the war effort and raise taxes. Woohoo! The economy will actually have money coming into it again. t the towelheads kill eachother all they want, the US should look out for number one.
"the stupidest one, whoever that is. americans always seem to vote for the stupider candidate, and even if they don't, the stupider candidate will win because the electoral system is ridiculously screwed up."
@Pete: thank you for that amazing commentary..i don't sit hear and tell you to go drink tea and eat biscuits or make fun of your bad teeth do i?
Muz, I think you underestimate the power of al-Qaeda. Not only do the actual organisation have lots of funds from countries that hates the west, the organisation also has supporting groups that are selfsupplying/funded by al-Qaeda. The nextwork is bigger than you think.
There are wellfounded specualtions of al-Qaeda friendly individuals/or even a group hidding in my small country ... Denmark. Not that they may actually do something here, but an army needs funds as much as soldiers.
Personally I hope Kerry wins. I dont like Bush allthough Im not really against the war in Iraq. However, Kerry seems like a pretty down-to-earth guy. Anyways ... based on what I know.
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Oh, yeah. Another thing. Comment to Pete. I agree that elections in United Bluff are somewhat a media circus more than anything else compared to european countries. Also it seems money is an important winning factor, which is really not the case at least in my country.
Personally I think a bunch of nerds like us should be discussing things more suitable for our brains... Star Trek timelines for example?
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Kerry seems like a honest man,
but it can be wrong.
But if he is really a honest man,
i would then even like america..
But if Bush wins, it proves that the
america is not just the fattest country in the
world (57% are overweighted) and one of the
lowest reading rate having industrial country (89 percent can read and that is a very low rate)
it is also the stupidest country in the world,
because the whole iraq campaing was standing of
CIAīs and Bushīs lies...
AND THE THING WHICH MAKE ME REALLY ANGRY:
the united fucking states wants that the international
war court wouldnt judge any of their soldiers.
The america killed lots of sivilians in vietnam for
just a fun, and their tortuering things of their
intelligence were more brutal than GESTAPOīs.
I can make here a topic where i say from an outsiders
view about america, and that what bush has made it look.
Clinton were a good president, but bush can go to lick
his fathers ass..
"omg u r sooooooooooo wise when talkin about the "USA" of which you only know about from what others in yer country tell you, and sense u dont kno english i asume its sum weird country so u dont count HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "
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And how can we rightly answer that question?
Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and institutions of our State --let them be our guardians.
Very good.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the guardian who is to keep anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern, and are unable as with a painter's eye to look at the absolute truth and to that original to repair, and having perfect vision of the other world to order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if not already ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them --are not such persons, I ask, simply blind?
Okay iīll stop boikoting america for a while...
For the elections..
But if George Bush the stupider wins the elections with
cheating again, iīll blow this hole place up with USA boikot..
(Al Gore had 520 voices more than Bush, but the Bush were still elected by some stupid law)
(and that means that i bring up the every social problem of the USA up)
(and btw, there was a spelling error in tomatomans image.. it should be wasnīt )
(and im not that bad in english, just in americanenglish... my english grade is currently 9)
You retard, electoral votes are all that matter in the elections. It has been that way since the beginning (of the US). The people from each state vote on two representatives, and those two representitives vote for the president. I don't really like either one, but I would vote for Bush if I had to choose.
"Muz, I think you underestimate the power of al-Qaeda. Not only do the actual organisation have lots of funds from countries that hates the west, the organisation also has supporting groups that are selfsupplying/funded by al-Qaeda. The nextwork is bigger than you think. "
-If Al Qaeda is so powerful, then why don't we see planes, trains, and other crap blow up more often? Granted it takes money and resources to do something like that but the average american has access to the materials needed. And like the Bush administrations says, theres no lack of people to do so. The Average american has access to guns, and at least a mild form of dynamite. With a little homework, cell phone bombs are a piece of cake. So why don't we see more terrorist attacks, are they waiting for some special day?
3/18/2004 - 67.31.205.* You retard, electoral votes are all that matter in the elections. It has been that way since the beginning (of the US). The people from each state vote on two representatives, and those two representitives vote for the president. I don't really like either one, but I would vote for Bush if I had to choose.
"You Retard, electoral votes are all that matter in the elections."
-This is very true, but even the the worst Republican/Democrat will vote for there opposite party when the people voice a strong opinion to do so. It's only happened differently two times.-
"i would then even like america..
But if Bush wins, it proves that the
america is not just the fattest country in the
world (57% are overweighted)"
-Were working on that, really we are. But you can't say we never did anything for you...AKA your computer, Your T.V., your Cellphone, how about the light your using to read?....We've invented a shitload. How come other countries didn't get to it first?
"lowest reading rate having industrial country (89 percent can read and that is a very low rate)"
-Leave no child behind, what a joke. How about instead of spending 88 Billion the United States puts some money into our many failing schools.-
"it is also the stupidest country in the world"
-This statement is absolute bullshit. Were undoubtedly one of the smartest countries in the world with THE stupidest leader. He was a C student in College, and he takes more vacations then any other president.-
"CIAīs and Bushīs lies..."
-I admire the CIA just because it seems like a cool organization...you know Secret agents and the whole bit from movies and anything else. But I have heard reports claiming that the CIA created a special group just to figure out how to goto Iraq and get away with it the way we did.
"the united fucking states wants that the international
war court wouldnt judge any of their soldiers."
-Your damn right we don't. People are easily swayed. I think George Bush should be tried. After all, the war in Iraq did free the Iraqi people which is definitely a plus. But I think they should've had a plan for gov't before they invaded, that way they would've been able to at least start up a makeshift gov't in a few weeks.
"The america killed lots of sivilians in vietnam for
just a fun, and their tortuering things of their
intelligence were more brutal than GESTAPOīs."
-This is true. We killed lots of people, not for fun though.-
Thats what I have to comment on. I might do more. Does anyone have anything else to say?
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1. Hmmmmm. How many of you know that John Kerry voted for the war? Of course now he is suddenly against it. Give me a break.......
2. Please stop bashing the USA. I live in the USA, and naturally I don't like to see it bashed with blatantly untrue accusations. No, most people who live here are not "stupid".
3. China is the most unhealthy country in the world, the USA comes in second.
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I think the USA is a backward country if we match
it to Finland.
The social level in USA is very low, police is corrupted,
politicks are also corrupted, your school system is bad
and your hospitals are not free and you have a real
big crime and drugs level and the list would go on if i werenīt
i a school brke currently.
Well mayby it can be explained by that, that a big country
has got lots of problems. (like the russia)
I thin that the united states would be in better fame, if
it would solve itīs problems first before going into other
coutrys problems.
And one more thing:
The United States is not ruled by a democratic goverment.
It is a dictature of the president.
USAs president has got too much power in your parlament (?),
in Finland the president is not even needed, all we need is a
eduskunta ruled by 200 people who will be elected once in a year.
I think i should do "the problems of the america" topic afterall..
Is it just me, or is this topic (like all others) going off topic? Well ... at least its still somewhat interesting.
DEC Stuff. Even al-Qaeda must keep a low profile not to be discovered. You should be glad they dont blow up busses, trains etc everyday. On the other hand Im afriad Im quite certain that they will do something again all of a sudden. Thats really what worries me.
Yes, United Bluff DID invent a number of inventions. However other countries/regions like europe and asia have also contributed with a lot. Dont forget it all began with the steam engine invented in GB.
Mr Coffee. It is true Kerry voted for the war, he did NOT however vote for the extra money given to the military.
This is to Jigen. Most of your comments come under a little category we english-speaking people call "racism" (I'm not sure if that will translate to your computer, because you don't seem to have been taught about it in school).
No, it is not rasicm, itīs telling a few facts about america.
I donīt think that the american people are evil,
i just think that the goverment is bad.
Many american people are good and they live in a good
place in america, but there are still places in USA, which
donīt have enough fundary. America should uprage itīs fundary
and one more thing:
The crime and violence level would go a bit
lower if the weapons would be put illegal, just like in many
european countries.
So donīt think i am a rasict.
Rasict means that i would hate the whole nation or race.
But i donīt hate the nation, i just hate the way that the american goverment
does their jobs.
And it is very reasonable that you think me as a rasict,
but you are seeing me as i hate the whole america.
(damn i should do something about the lenght of my message)
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
19th March, 2004 at 11:42:49 -
"The United States is not ruled by a democratic goverment. It is a dictature of the president. USAs president has got too much power in your parlament (?), in Finland the president is not even needed, all we need is a eduskunta ruled by 200 people who will be elected once in a year."
whatever you may say about the american government, it's very far from being a dictatorship...
"Were working on that, really we are. But you can't say we never did anything for you...AKA your computer, Your T.V., your Cellphone, how about the light your using to read?....We've invented a shitload. How come other countries didn't get to it first?"
Um, most of the American inventions (TV, computer, etc.) were based on previous British inventions. And you wouldn't have the Internet as we know it today if it wasn't for us. Just look at http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/engineers.htm ...
"3. China is the most unhealthy country in the world, the USA comes in second."
"Um, most of the American inventions (TV, computer, etc.) were based on previous British inventions. And you wouldn't have the Internet as we know it today if it wasn't for us. Just look at http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/engineers.htm ... "
Your damn right we wouldn't be were we were today if it wasn't for the british. I admire the british people a lot, but if you guys are so great then how did you get sucked into this war?
"How many of you know that John Kerry voted for the war?" - Kerry has explained this time and time again. Kerry authorized the use of force, but not int he way it was used. He didn't want us to go and ruin our foreign relations and piss the world off the way we did. He wanted us to use the U.N., which is exactly what we didn't do.
Why do we have the right to ignore the U.N.? Are we better then it?
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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
20th March, 2004 at 05:30:47 -
DEC, the only people who wanted to go to war were the government, even the opposition voted for it. the rest of us were quite happy eating our crumpets and watching the 6 o' clock news.
"the only people who wanted to go to war were the government"
America is beginning to see that. Certainly I didn't want to goto this war, especially without the backing of the world! We could've done it the right way, with less money, more troops, less terrorism, and an international force. How would you feel if the entire world attacked your country? It think you would feel as though your country definitely has some problems. Thats what would've happened if we worked with the U.N.. I think it's great that we overthrew saddam. But, there are countries much worse off than even Iraq. Theres more people starving, dying, civil war, dirty water, no food, mud buildings, and just the worst conditions possible. Why don't we overthrow there gov'ts first? If we really wanted to save the Iraqi people, it had to be for a damn good reason which I have yet to find other than the so called "WMD's" and terrorism(which we have probably just created{more}}.
There are people in some countries that are so bad off they would actually want to live in the war zone known as Iraq because it is so much better. Here are some of them.
And there are countries worse than Iraq too. What about Libya, IRAN***, and other middle east countries?
Is anyone beginning to see a connection here between maybe the way you get from point A to B and the fact that Iraq has a shitload of oil?
I once had a girl tell me she couldn't imagine anyone using someone elses life for oil. Yeah, and how the hell did you get to school today?
And what about this?
"Iraq is a State-Sponsor of Terrorism
True. But Iran is the most active state-sponsor of terrorism and has more resources from which to finance such activities. Yet there has been no suggestion of a ground invasion of Iran. In addition, the terrorist groups that Iraq supports focus their activities in the Middle East rather than against the United States. "
And this:
"Iraq Has Invaded Its Neighbors and Has Used WMD in the Past
Yes, but Iraq isn't alone. Syria, North Korea, and Libya have invaded their neighbors, and Libya used chemical weapons in its intervention in Chad. "
DEC, it is true Iraq is not the worst country ... however there are 2 things you should think about.
1. We have to start somewhere. It is a mere fact, we cannot hit em all at once. Now, as a beginning Iraq was chosen. The people of Iraq has a right to be free as much as other people in other countries. You may not think so, but Iraq was once a prosperous nation before Saddam took the power. It was THE economical and trade center of the Middle East. So, setting Iraq as a good example could prove to have tremendous influence in all of the Middle East.
2. We can only remove the government and guide the people to build a better country. Nothing more. With that in mind almost any African country is useless. The problems in African countries are not just the governments but also the people itself. This does not mean we should not help. Far from it. We created the problems after all. Why? When Africa was still untouched the main part of Africa consisted of tribes who lived in small villages. These tribes fighted each other as they had done in hundreds even thousands of years. This what not really the problem. No colonization was the problem. When western countries (even Denmark) colonized Africa that problems began. Take Great Britain. They invaded an area an claimed it to be theirs giving it a name. Germany invated another, France an area etc. The problems is. The invaders created countries out the areas they took, but this could easily mean a tribe was suddenly split. One part lived in one country and the other part in another. And tribes who used to fight each other were suddenly people of the same country. During the late 1880's and up to world war II countries pulled out of their colonies making them independent countries. However how could tribes who shared nothing but the hatred to each other coexist in a country? The answer: They couldnt. Thats why many African countries are plagued by civil wars and corrupt governments that only support their own tribe.
The bottomline is: We cannot save the world. We can only help the world save itself. The people in a country must be ready to help themselves before we can (help them).
If you knew, I would have to kill you...
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
20th March, 2004 at 14:27:46 -
DEC, i was referring to the british government (don't know if that was conveyed or not).
Dec Stuff...... He voted for the war. Anyone can turn around and say "well they did not do it the way I wanted them to so that does not count". Thats fine if he voted for it and all, but its really stupid to criticize Bush for the war when he (Kerry) voted for it. But thats not the only thing he has suddenly changed his mind on, and it probably won't be the last.
Your other point is pretty absurd. If the USA had attacked Iran you would say "why did they not attack Iraq?". Do you see what I am saying? Of course the main reason the USA attacked Iraq was to protect it's interests but it's also trying to make life better for the people of Iraq.
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I'm sure i've said this before mister coffee but you are right. It is sort of a case of the means justifying the end.
Oh an Jigen, if I said "I hate finland, and everyone there is stupid and fat." That would be racist, right? I'm not even american, but I just find your comments racist.
" DEC, i was referring to the british government (don't know if that was conveyed or not)."
Yeah I understood that. I kinda got off on the wrong foot. I know the people of your nation didnt' want to while the gov't did.
"We have to start somewhere...,...It (was) <--Keyword, THE economical and trade center of the Middle East"
-Yep, after we have the support of everyone. Not 120,000 americans and a few thousand others. I think it's acceptable to invade Iraq, but we should've waited. And now that were there, were sucked into a cycle of starting the govt, terrorist attacks, and other crap.
Lets get one thing straight, Im for eliminating terrorism, so no one can call me unpatriotic. It's just that I have a different approach. And it starts here, at home. Like I said, how about ousting the KKK problem and maybe some barriers around are nuclear powerplants and most treasured buildings? Or maybe some more security? It doesn't happen on just planes guys. These guys are very open minded about how to go about killing someone.
"We can only remove the government and guide the people to build a better country...., ...With that in mind almost any African country is useless."
Thats crap. It takes leadership to pull a country together. Without leaders, you have nothing.
Think about Iraq. It is very diverse especially in terms of religion. There are all kinds of fighting clans and religions. Yet we are pulling them together, aren't we? Were using there leaders. I can't say africa isn't a mess. It's the biggest mess on this planet. But it needs help and all we do(as americans) is throw some food in a basket at Christman time pat our selves on the back and realize how great we are for helping to solve the problem. We don't solve shit that way.
"If the USA had attacked Iran you would say "why did they not attack Iraq?"."
-I do see what your saying. I don't think I would say that though if we had waited it out with the U.N., I wouldn't of agreed with a war in Iran either if we just rushed in overnight.
Is there anyone who can sit there and tell me that George W. Bush has been a flawless president? Cause there are sure a lot of people out there who certainly think so.
Bottom line is we should've waited, and now we should apologize to the world and gather more support.
And War is not the only method. Don't gimme that bullshit about how war is the only option. Have we tried the alternative? no. Then lets try it. If we improved our image, then the world might not be so pissed off at us, and I think the easiest way to do that is a new president.
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