Facts.
If I were to create a poll on how many of you plan on creating an MMORPG I'm sure that 99% of you would say yes.
My point?
I haven't seen a single mmorpg produced from this community that has been highly successful and I think it’s about time we showed the world we're not just the geeky guys that will never produce something spectacular like runescape.
The Answer?
Although it would be difficult to orchestrate I sure the best idea would be for a large proportion of the Daily Click community to offer their services and produce a single mmorpg that everyone can say they played a part in making. Because there would be so many talented and creative people making the game it wouldn’t feel like hours of boring coding, or drawing and painting images. Take for instance the people that made the popular phpBB2. Those guys lived in all across the world and had jobs, families, basically lives other then authoring.
Where do we start?
First things first
Everyone has a talent for something here, even if they are just starting out it won’t be long until they can give helpful input into the game, whether it be testing, suggesting, or actually developing its all progress. So we would have to work out our own specialisation and try to organise teams.
Secondly
IF we were to go ahead and manage to get everyone involved, interested and paying attention I don’t want to be the guy who suggests that people do this and that. I think planning is the most important thing, and we should all do that together. Working from the ground up we form the basis of the game using the ideas of everyone and settling on the best in the opinion of everyone.
Structured something like;
- Artist
- Coders
Etc.
Thirdly
From there we could develop some form of recording system; this is where Daily Click will be useful. As this is a community already using the features like the forum will enable us to keep track of progress and communicate easily.
But Wait.
Okay, I understand that many of you have formed your own development teams and are probably in the middle of some amazingly long projects that you barely find the time as it is to complete. (mouthful). But please hear me out, It would, without a doubt be a more enjoyable experience for us all to develop a game around a large community of co-workers. Imagine all the input, and there is always someone there to ask for help. Although, I can respect if you just really want to finish off the latest of your developments.
Synapsis.
We can do it, if we are determined, dedicated, and disciplined enough we can so the world what we’re capable of doing using our own self taught skills.
I leave it with you to decide. If you are interested (which I hope many of you will be) please just give a quick post outlining any ideas, suggestions, or maybe what skills you have.
Thanks for reading.
(if you want to contact me just add me on msn messenger (sfcansdale@hotmail.com))
Hmm, I like MMO games, of any type. Of course, as Aggggge said, The Daily Click Game will be an MMO game. If it fails, I like your idea. I am pretty good at coding, I am a good leader, and i'm organised, so I think I could help.
I've actually been designing an MMO for some time now, but didnt release information about it till just a few days ago. It doesnt have anything to do with DailyClick in general, but most of its attention will be aimed at the click community, so yeah.
Online games are rare in the community anyway, the most popular would be action games and how mahy do you know of? not a lot, The only way to make a game that will be 100% popular with all people around here is to make it for the community.
Thats already been started but it's on hold for now if i'm up to date with the info.
I'd probably say don't bothere if you asked the question.
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Assault Andy Administrator
I make other people create vaporware
Sorry for posting a post about an idea someone has already had. Although it just shows that its a good idea. I am all for the DC-Game, and it wouldn't take long before we had a platform to work from. I myself am going to work on a foundation of a game that if wanted could be used as the first engine for the DC-Game.
It will be:-
- basic 8 directional movement.
- Contain 3 levels.
- Intro Screen
- Log In Screen
- Game Screen
- 5 Images to choose from (These will be coloured boxes)
- Chat
- The old above head chat
- Chat logging
I don't want to work on the graphics as I feel this would make a 30 minute job into a week job. This is a very basic engine although I will require help with Protocol Communication and Database Connections. If anyone can help make this extreamly simple idea I'm sure a lot more people will be interested.
Thanks,
Sean.
Data String Studios,
Join the project? e-mail me at ezence@hotmail.co.uk and we'll sort something out.
Assault Andy Administrator
I make other people create vaporware
Registered 29/07/2002
Points 5686
12th November, 2005 at 04:58:54 -
MMORPGs are 'simple' as you put it. But for startes I recommend you don't use a database on the web for storing your user's files and such. It's probably better to have a client\server program running, where you run a server program on your PC or another PC 24/7.
I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near that percentage. Sure, it'd be neat, but I think we all know it's a lot of work for something that may only be popular for a week.
Okay, although I respect all of your opinions, whether negative or positive the negative ones aren't required. All the negative opinions will just make me think I am wasting my time, yet I bet if you started seeing a world develop before your eyes over time I think you would change your own opinion and either just play or help make the game.
I've made a start and have some development notes I have made, I will be making a post of these and I am redesigning my old website as a development site. This will be more basic then the game itself as I dont want to spend time making things look pretty I'd rather it just do what it needs.
I've spoken to my cousin and fellow designer Kyza about this new project and he has agreed its about time we all pulled our fingers out and get the huge globe of a ball rolling and producing something epic.
I hate MMORPGs. They're filled with people who spend their entire lives there leveling up their characters to levels impossible to obtain. Kinda loses the fun when you're just level 4 and a kid who's maxed out his char hands you one of his Ultimate Longswords of Demon and Random Monster slaying coz it slows him down.
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Assault Andy Administrator
I make other people create vaporware
Registered 29/07/2002
Points 5686
15th November, 2005 at 01:52:10 -
1. Is that made with TGF?
2. Do not use Moo2, I reccomend you use moogame\click or a combination of the two.
3. Do you really want to tell everyone what you are doing (on your website), so they can easily replicate it?
Maybe you should read some more articles on online game development for MMF before undergoing a large project such as this. For basic connenction and movement, read Flava's latest three part series. As for movement, if everyone is sending co-ordinates every x seconds then your game will get very laggy very quickly. Use some sort of dead-reckoning system (invent your own, read up, whatever).
Andy,
Yeah, I know what your saying Andy, but for the moment we're just understanding the basics, as if Moo2 was the only available thing. We didn’t know about it when it first came out as we were not really into game making so were just jumping back to the past and working up to Moo Sock. MMF is something that myself and my cousin were talking about last night and I relies that it comes with all the extensions needed to make an MMORPG.
As for displaying my notes, hell yeah I think some information should be free especially as I am not intending on using 'THIS' game to earn cash I might as well let other people learn techniques from my trial and error. Plus, hopefully some guys can give input if they read my notes and suggest better ways for me to create certain things.
I will check out what you’ve suggested though, whose working on the ‘official’ TDC Game? It would be nice to see how far they’ve got as it looks like we’re going up against them. We’re determined!!
Muz,
I know exactly what you mean, I had been playing runescape during the days when a level 60 was extremely rare and rune was a myth. Now I’m sure Zezima has every skill to level 99 and every type of item possible to collect. So I have a lot of respect for what you’re saying, although can you not think of ways to overcome this problem? It wouldn’t be hard to keep the game broad with quests, sub games, and other modules. Such as not only do you get items but you get books for spells but you can only get for instance an Ice Spell from the Ice Book located at Ice Mountain, then you could mix spells, so ice and fire make water. Etc.
There are loads of ways to make MMORPG’s more enjoyable and less repetitive; the only thing is getting to the stage where you can do just that.
(I wish I didn’t say that 99% would say yes now…)
At the moment we’re developing still, we’ve managed to get information sending and receiving using Moo2 and MOS. I have taken into consideration Andy’s advice and myself and Kyza are planning on purchasing MMF. (Yes we haven’t yet!!).
Thanks guys,
Sean Cansdale.
(Edit: I have developed a great mathmatical grid movement engine which gives us perfect TGF movement, but its only 4 directional - I will read the guides though).
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Data String Studios,
Join the project? e-mail me at ezence@hotmail.co.uk and we'll sort something out.
Peblo Custom ratings must be 50 characters or less
Registered 05/07/2002
Points 185
15th November, 2005 at 05:48:28 -
Leveling up in runescape wasn't that hard, 'cause there was autominers.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
lol, without turning this into a discussion about runescape I remember when the Mods weren't strict and when they found a user using auto miner they would change their pick axe into a skirt and you would see users standing next to rocks putting a skirt on and off.. Those were the days when they encouraged repetitive strain injury by making you click the pick axe to use then the rocks to use it with.. Those were the best time of runescape.. The early years..
(dit: Bad use of tense)
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Data String Studios,
Join the project? e-mail me at ezence@hotmail.co.uk and we'll sort something out.
DaVince This fool just HAD to have a custom rating
Registered 04/09/2004
Points 7998
15th November, 2005 at 09:22:11 -
That site needs a bit of colour. Other than that, this is a VERY good idea. Just make sure people can become game moderators so they can throw out the n00bs. RuneScape has a lot and nothing is done about it.
Think of a way to overcome it? I've been doing that for longer than you think .
Of course, none of them really work. Best way would be to put a cap on the amount of experience you can get in a day. After 3-4 or so hours of playing, you can no longer gain experience, but you can still socialize, get married, get divorced, whatever those people enjoy doing on MMORPGs besides gaining experience.
Most people would just stop playing and do something useful with their lives after they reach that cap, but that doesn't stop them from having fun the next day. In fact, it's more fun as they're not repeatedly bashing some things over and over again.
To make things even more fun, once you get to about level 20 or so, you can only gain experience 'manually', that is by doing quests set by the people who moderate the game. Quests are sent down via dreams when the player rests after drinking a quest potion or something. Or they could be sent by the mayor, king, an archmage or some important NPC.
These quests make you do things like slay evil dragons, build settlements that X players have to live in, find pieces of a powerful artifact which can be forged and you can keep, siege enemy settlements, defend your settlements from sieges, upgrade the defenses (walls, towers, militia, etc) of your home city, etc. Maybe you have to do social things like train noobs to certain levels and make them join the army. Anything that encourages the growth of the game. As reward, you get experience, items, positions in the upper class of society, a nice manor and land, etc. If you're good enough, you get statues, your name carved on signboards, etc.
Of course, this still means that people can level up really high, but the people who are really high level have actually contributed to the game, meaning that they deserved the level more than those people who spend all day killing everything in sight.
If you're making a game like this, I'm in . Even have a very unique combat system you could use.
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I like the ideas man, I like them a lot. But I especially like the comment about high levels deserving to be high, its a true statement that the guys that get rewarded have no lives. I shale bare this all in mind, and a nice combat systen eh? I might be interested.
Data String Studios,
Join the project? e-mail me at ezence@hotmail.co.uk and we'll sort something out.
MMF arrived today, but I haven't had a chance to work on the development website (woooza.net) because it was my 21st birthday yesterday. However, I will be spending a hell of a lot of time over the next week setting up the project. Names names names is all I want at the moment, well that and skillz. So post away and let me know if you want to help out. I think we're going up against the offical DC game, but eh? Who cares as long as this project brings results!
Thanks guys,
Sean.
(Edit: Selfish use of I)
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Data String Studios,
Join the project? e-mail me at ezence@hotmail.co.uk and we'll sort something out.
We already have a server and are looking at renting an external IP address for hosting, but theres a long way to go yet before we start thinking about that.
The users savefiles will be server side and encrypted of course.
Ez posted the Movement and Inventory engines we plan to use for the game. Should be accepted and up soon. Go check it out!
LOL, if that's the website, then it doesn't look like the project has much future in it, especially judging by the screenshots .
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