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Chloe Sagal
under the influence of FUN
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5th March, 2009 at 16:53:14 -
haha, sorry for making you type so much!
the first part confused me, because when you said it before you said that same thing, but then you came back and when you were talking about the 10 commandments you said the only thing that mattered if they excepted jesus into their heart... but then if the rules dont apply to some, why should it apply at all? i mean, if i basically live my life as a good person, but i had ample time to get to know god, then do i go to hell?
as far as the stern god goes, that actually makes sense, and that is a good explaniation. im going to try and re-read the bible when i get a chance and keep note of it, so im not just taking your word for it, and everyone elses word for it as well.
i still think the whole aspect of homelessness being mans fault is a terrible outlook. there are plenty of good people that are homeless, there are going hungry in third world countries because their leaders made bad deal (well bad for the country, good for them). you make it kind of sound like god is punishing the people for the actions of their leaders? im sure he certainly doesnt want them to starve if hes up there, but he certainly will let them.
well, the next thing is more for people that actually believe, and since i dont believe, i believe i was created by my parents, but meh, that one is up in the air i guess, not really much more either of us can say about it.
yeah i meant that quote was a good quote as a demonstration of how leaders look at their people, and napolean is a perfect example of how most leaders (while either out and the open or too them selves) look at religeon and their people.
im confused on the next one, sorry. i is a dumbass
no, youre not being preachy, im actually learning alot here. its nice to think and all by yourself, but if you cannot bang heads with someone whats the point?
as far as a distorted view of christianity goes, well i think it comes mostly from the 100 of different versions and "updates" to the bible. its literally impossible to get the right idea about the bible based on whats floating around now, and so much stuff couldve just been "thrown in". that could be an excuse to play the faith card, but i think that if god was looking out for his word, no one would be able to touch it.
i know what its like to not be able to explain certain things, but thats mostly when it comes to applications and technical stuff i dont have a full understanding about. its hard for me to think about that from a belief standpoint. i find it hard to think anyone could believe in something that they question, i find it much easier to answer those questions from the other end, not when ive tricked my mind into constantly thinking something is true.
ethics is not a proof of god in my opinion, ethics is a product of our socity, and i dont think it ever started comming into practice until governments started forming and stuff. people only want ethics because in this materialistic society, no one wants to end up with no money, no stuff, or heck, end up dead. there are people that believe in survival of the fittest, does god not exist in their world?
eh, well. haha. i always start these with the intention of just a few quick sentences, but somehow i start getting more questions!
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OMC
What a goofball
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5th March, 2009 at 17:36:54 -
Those laws are still things you should follow-- but if you break one you don't go to hell.  The point was a reply to your question as to why there was more to the Bible than just the 10 commandments.  I don't judge people's souls, so I don't know exactly how God does it. But he is a just God and will do so accordingly.
God is not punishing them. If God made everyone equally wealthy and controlled everything so that it was perfect, we wouldn't have free will, would we?  It's ultimately up to us to solve homelessness and poverty, instead of blaming its existence on God. He gave us a choice, and we choose. Some may suffer because of the actions of others, but that is by no means punishment from God. It's all the more reason for people to get their act together and do what He wants us to do! If you don't believe in God, how can you blame homelessness on Him? Who else would it be but man?
I don't get your point about Napoleon. O_o 
I agree on the "banging heads" thing! By asking these questions, you've made me put things into words.
New versions are usually just re-translations from the original Greek and Hebrew into modern language. They usually don't have an effect on the central messages though, especially since scholars all over the world study them carefully. Now, personal translations of certain passages do sometimes conflict, but I don't think that is as big a player in the distortion of Christianity as it might seem.
I didn't mean people who question what they believe--quite the opposite. I meant people who fully understand it (as far as possible, anyway) but don't have the gift of putting it into words well.
Ethics is a product of our society... how did we start societies if we killed each other beforehand? We just arbitrarily decided to start order and put rules of behavior into effect? Sounds ethical to me. I had a train of thought to put here, but I have a dentist appointment I'm about to hurry off to and forgot what it was.
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Phredreeke
Don't listen to this idiot
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5th March, 2009 at 20:49:09 -
Genesis 6:13
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."
There's a lot of violence in the world these days. God knew, though, that the best way to end violence is to kill every living thing.
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http://www.hooplanet.co.uk/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1235870770&archive=&start_from=&ucat=11,19,22&
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Make some more box arts damnit!
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Johnny Look
One Happy Dude
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5th March, 2009 at 21:07:26 -
Well this time god won't have to move a finger, we are going to blow up us all sooner or later.
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Peblo
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5th March, 2009 at 21:09:54 -
OMC dude, I have a question. I've just skimmed over the huge page of text so I may have missed something.
Why do you believe in a jealous God? I'm not being malicious, it is an honest question. What is he jealous of?
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
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OMC
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5th March, 2009 at 21:31:40 -
He's jealous in the fact that He doesn't want you to worship any other god or idols. He's not materialistic or anything.
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Johnny Look
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5th March, 2009 at 21:33:54 -
Isn't jealousy one of the seven deadly sins or something like that ?
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OMC
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5th March, 2009 at 21:34:26 -
Don't think of it as the everyday form of jealousy. You know, pooched-lip sulky thing.
BTW, the "seven deadly sins" aren't in the Bible. They are warned against in different parts, but nowhere are they referred to together as "deadly sins". That's a catholic addition that you could remedy by buying pardons.
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Johnny Look
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5th March, 2009 at 21:40:33 -
I disagree.
For example, God being jealous of any other god you might be worshiping is exactly the same thing as you being jealous of the guy who is dating your ex-girlfriend that you still have feelings for.
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OMC
What a goofball
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5th March, 2009 at 21:57:09 -
It's similar-- but think of it more as a married man. If you're jealous of something someone else has, it is a sin. If you are jealous of something that belongs to you but is not given to you, it is not a sin. A married man has a right to be jealous if another man is flirting with his wife. God is jealous of worship that is given to another even though it belongs to Him.
I hardly think God would stick His lower lip out and pout though.
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Johnny Look
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5th March, 2009 at 23:35:48 -
I think it's a fairly diferent thing because imo nobody belongs to God, unless you've gone through baptism and/or any other catholic ritual that would make you christian, but in that case by worshiping another god you'd be switching religions (divorce). But in case you weren't christian or "divorced", you could be flirting with whoever you wanted because you are single so you belong to no one. In that case if someone is jealous of whoever you are flirting with, that someone is sinning because he's jealous of something someone has/is close to getting.
Sorry if i didn't explained myself well, I'm really sleepy right now
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Matt Boothman
The Nissan Micra of forum members
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6th March, 2009 at 00:23:21 -
I used to think about stuff like this all the time. Like literally all the time. The pointlessness of civilisation, of government, of anything really. It got me quite down for a while.
Then I just thought that as long as I'm okay, and the people around me are okay - nothing else matters. So some fellas in Africa are dying while some fellas in America give themselves $500k pensions; what can you do? Nothing. Don't feel guilty for the world. If everyone was content with life and lived on enough food, water, medical assistence, the world would be a utopia. But it's not. Let those who take more than they need feel bad.
tl;dr - Don't give a shit. It's not worth it.
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Peblo
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6th March, 2009 at 01:36:48 -
Agreed. Don't feel guilty over anything. If you aren't happy about something, change it. If you are happy now though, there is absolutely no reason to change what you believe or what you are doing. I suppose levels of happiness go up to infinity, reason enough to keep changing.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
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Chloe Sagal
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6th March, 2009 at 03:05:53 -
Originally Posted by Boothman
I used to think about stuff like this all the time. Like literally all the time. The pointlessness of civilisation, of government, of anything really. It got me quite down for a while.
Then I just thought that as long as I'm okay, and the people around me are okay - nothing else matters. So some fellas in Africa are dying while some fellas in America give themselves $500k pensions; what can you do? Nothing. Don't feel guilty for the world. If everyone was content with life and lived on enough food, water, medical assistence, the world would be a utopia. But it's not. Let those who take more than they need feel bad.
tl;dr - Don't give a shit. It's not worth it.
as terrible as that sounds, it make total sense. i feel kind of like a hyppocrate, now that i think about. all this talk about "control" when worrying about it is nothing more than a simple control issue.
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Grazzum - Scorpion E
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17th March, 2009 at 17:55:25 -
Humanity is constantly moving towards a new telos, one of which is ever changing. It's dynamics (what's going on in present times) may suck balls, particularly since almost all advancement is through conflict and struggle; sometimes we move back a step instead (IE the Dark Ages). It is through education, I believe, we can come to mutually recognize each other (human to human, perhaps one day to the animals we share the planet with also). The world right now is in a sore state of affairs yes, but it is perpetual. Meaning that reason-ability and unity, for the most part, arises out of conflict and our standards for living will slowly (or drastically) increase as well.
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