Damien: So, in your view, not having sex to have kids is murder?
so, by the "potential" logic, if everyone has the potential to have, say, twenty kids (just for the purpose of this argument) and somebody ends up only having three children in their life, they have killed 17 people...? now thats just confusing and seems to actually promotes sex before marriage (as long as its not with protection and you'd keep the baby)
So let me get this straight, a condom is murder. The pill is murder. So, what about masturbating into the fucking toilet? I mean, with a condom, they've at least got a chance, you know. Wet dreams, are they murder too? Do I need to give every sperm in my testicles a fighting chance? What about taking drugs, to help me abstain from any sexual activity? Wouldn't that be killing my sperm also? Should I find a girl ASAP, and say too her, "take off your pants, I don't want to kill anybody, hurry before my testicles explode!!! Abortions are murder, yes I agree. Though c'mon, the survival of ants has a more deep and meaningful importance than sperm. Do you have a clue how many of those little things die anyway, even if you follow the rules. What does it matter if one seed of life doesn't get planted. It's not life, it's only the seed. Life begins when the male and female combine, condoms keep them separate. I've met people who were born under circumstances you've mentioned, and wish that they weren't. People like that often kill themselves later anyway. When the number of infertile couples outways abandon children, my views will change, but that won't be for a long time.
Tell me, two people having sex with a condom, is that really more wrong than two people jerking eachother off? Is that really more wrong than two people off opposite sex jerking off in seperate rooms? It which point am I killing something that wouldn't otherwise be killed? Is it wrong for me to get the sperms hopes up? Does it know the difference between a vigina and a toilet? Explain this concept to me, I don't understand even the basic logic behind this view point.
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...masturbating into a toilet is murder? Then I'm like the biggest mass murderer in history!!!
So basically, Jon, you seem to disagree with all the 'rules' but you're still Johnny Choir Boy when it comes to dropping your pants and giving her a good knobbing!?
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Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
My girlfriend is on "the shot" (it's The Pill in the form of a shot that lasts longer). I'm glad she's on it because if an accident were ever to happen and she became pregnant... My money is sucked up way too much as it is, which means I may not be able to afford the child if it were born and raised. Especially due to the fact that the girlfriend doesn't have a job, lives off state money for being disabled, and doesn't want to get a cheap job that'll pay about $8.50 an hour that you can probably easily find because she's a full time student and doesn't want to be a full time student and full time worker. Add onto that the fact that she's not very bright at all. If she were to ever have a child of her own she'd be rather clueless as to how to take care of it while I'm away on the job. I could just see it now... "Chamzel! The baby crawled into the washing machine and I thought I'd give it a bath, so I turned the machine on! I didn't know it would kill the baby, waaaah!"
I personally would not have sex with anyone I was not married to.
I'm not sure about the logic of the whole 'sexual investment' thing, heh, I just choose to act this way because I believe it's the moral thing to do.
I personally also don't see any problem with contraception, but again that's the interpretation of the Bible that I personally feel makes sense. There were various parts of the Law Covenant that prohibited such things as neutering, and I believe there was also the case of a man who was put to death for Interrupted Intercourse in ancient Israel. However, the reasons for that man's death are not clearly given (it could be a number of related things, it's certainly not conclusive enough to base an entire doctrine on). What's more, the Christian view is that Jesus did 'take the Law with him to the grave', but fundamental principles and features of it remained -- such as fornication (anything between an unmarried couple that involves the sex organs, including sex and the various alternatives), adultery, the consumption of blood, use of idols, etc.
I find it hard to understand why God would consider the 'death' of a sperm cell to be the same as the death of a human though, since not only is such a cell only half the genetic data required (even less than a skin cell!), but also several billion are released during normal sexual relations. Considering the law of probability, not every one of them is going to latch onto the egg, which naturally will result in the 'deaths' of those sperm cells. If God so highly viewed the individual sperm cell, you'd think he'd make the reproductive system a bit less 'hit-and-miss' rather than condemning humans for wasting just a few thousand, and then allowing billions of those cells to die when humans do something he always intended them to do.
I personally believe that a human life begins at conception -- when the two cells combine their genetic data and cell multiplication is ready to begin. For that reason I'm against abortion.
Sex in my opinion does exist ultimately so that humanity grows in number. But it's still (apparently) fun, and I'm sure God wouldn't give humans something so beautiful, only to frustrate them by saying that they have to endure the pain and trouble of rearing a child every time they want to enjoy one happy moment of intimacy together. Otherwise children would cease to become an object of love and affection and end up being viewed as nothing but the irritating results of having a good time.
I am still against masturbation, however. Not for the 'death of a sperm cell' reason, but for simpler reasons. Firstly, the apostle Paul told Timothy to 'flee from the desires incidental to youth' (2 Tim 2:22) so that he could 'call upon the Lord out of a clean heart'. Then consider that Jesus said that anyone who so much as looks at a woman with the wrong thoughts in his heart has already as good as committed adultery with her (Matt 5:2. Masturbation is almost always with sexual thoughts in mind, which brings a person worryingly close to what Jesus was saying. There's a lot more to it than that of course, but I sense this is getting to be another long post, and you probably don't like me knocking the idea of masturbation. For some of you I'm sure it's your only hope!
Others I'm sure have their reasons for feeling differently, but those are my opinions and reasons for what they're worth.
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Joshtek
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) fun, and I'm sure God wouldn't give humans something so beautiful, only to frustrate them by saying that they have to endure the pain and trouble of rearing a child every time they want to enjoy one happy moment of intimacy together. Otherwise children would cease to become an object of love and affection and end up being viewed as nothing but the irritating results of having a good time.
. Masturbation is almost always with sexual thoughts in mind, which brings a person worryingly close to what Jesus was saying. There's a lot more to it than that of course, but I sense this is getting to be another long post, and you probably don't like me knocking the idea of masturbation. For some of you I'm sure it's your only hope!