Let Sonic die. It's his time, and has been for a long, long while. Rather than further tarnish his already sinking reputation with yet ANOTHER sub par game; just let him drift off into the great gaming legends book. Put him in as a bonus character in a fighting/kart racing game or something. Let us remember Sonic as he was in his glory days; not as a character who's struggled to find a home (meaning a GOOD game) for the last 8 years.
Craps, I'm an old man!
DaVince This fool just HAD to have a custom rating
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2nd December, 2006 at 15:00:27 -
Message to Nintendo.
Let Mario die. It's his time, and has been for a long, long while. Rather than further tarnish his already sinking reputation with yet ANOTHER sub par game; just let him drift off into the great gaming legends book. Put him in as a bonus character in a fighting/kart racing game or something. Let us remember Mario as he was in his glory days; not as a character who's struggled to find a home (meaning a GOOD game) for the last 6 years.
Sonic was never a good series. Even the mega drive games were pretty average really, if you play them without the nostalgia goggles. Nobody would remember them if he wasn't Sega's mascot. But the recent ones... ugh. I don't know what the hell they're trying to do, I mean the blue liquid guy made for some neat porn, but it tells you something when the best they can do is to make a character that looks exactly like Sonic besides that he's GUNMAN with a NEW PAINT JOB and an entirely different WAY PAST COOL attitude.
Yes, let it fucking die. Put him in SSBM and then let him die. The only good thing that ever came out of that series was the Archie comic, and even that was fucked up horribly after a couple dozen issues.
The latest Sonic game I played was Sonic Adventure 2, so I can't say anything about the games beyond those (Sonic Heroes, Sonic Riders) but from what I've seen, they don't impress me much. The Sonic Adventures were ok though. Unlike most people I've talked to, I prefer the first one. The trailer for the new Sonic looks pretty good, but I haven't got a chance to play it.
I'd really love to see Sonic in a Super Smash Bros. or Mario Kart game though. Mario vs. Sonic w00t!
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Apparently the new Sonic game is terrible - although haven't played it myself neither.
I liked all the Mega Drive Games - I always thought they were better than Mario anyway. But yeh, they've ruined Sonic now - should just give him up.
Sonic Adventure 1 : I thought wasn't bad at all, I enjoyed it a lot.
Sonic Adventure 2: Appalling; they mixed different gameplay styles, the majority of the game was played with either the mechs or the chaos emerald hunting mode. Only Sonics stages were any fun.
Sonic Heroes: Average. Became unnecessarily complex.
Sonic Advance 1: Ok for what it was. Dodgy collision detection and spikes appearing from the ground without warning.
Sonic Advance 2: Awful. Running boss battles were not fun, while the levels were huge and featureless. Hold down the right key, press jump occasionally. Thats your lot.
Sonic Advance 3: The best of the post-Megadrive Sonic era. Love this game, although a secondary character in tow isn't really needed.
Sonic Rush: Pretty lame. New "techno" graphical style, along with god-awful music makes this unbearable. Level design isn't too great either, especially the parts in later levels where you have to beat all the enemies in a room to progress. Sonic is about SPEED, these bits are boring.
Sonic The Hedgehog: Haven't played it yet, I might consider it when it gets to about £20. Reviews aren't too promising though.
Sonic Rivals: Haven't played this either, but it looks pretty fun actually. Shame its more of a racing game. Might get.
"Sonic Rush: Pretty lame. New "techno" graphical style, along with god-awful music makes this unbearable. Level design isn't too great either, especially the parts in later levels where you have to beat all the enemies in a room to progress. Sonic is about SPEED, these bits are boring."
No way. Awesome music. Nice graphics, and the beating enemies to progress bit isnt that bad at all. The only down side would be the death-drops, and perhaps the ocassional easy boss.
Circy, you missed out Sonic Pinball!!! SUCH A GOOD GAME
Oh, and SONIC 3D.. which was ok, just pretty hard , SONIC CD which was like first console cd game? .. first and last on the genesis anyways :\ which was an awesome game and was really far ahead for its time.
Then more up-to-date there's Sonic Team Racing or whatever that is, and though I wouldn't find myself playing it any more it was a pretty decent and fast-paced game... Agreed that Sonic games have gradually failed to impress as time goes on - but Sonic the Hedgehog imo beats those crappy little Spanish brothers any day...
MORE IMPORTANTLY SEGA DON'T EVEN EXIST ANY MORE!! Who owns them, like Nintendo or sumin? (lol Nintendo is in my firefox dictionary thing.. anyway) Standards have dropped since the original team split up, so that for me is why Sonic isn't as good these days.
Well Radix, liked the sonic games before they became nostalgic to me. However i do see them in a different light now.
I own all of these games.
Megadrive
Sonic 1 Amazing in it's day, but actually really slow if you play it today. A little buggy too. Sonic looks purple for some reason lol.
Sonic 2 Imo the best sonic game there ever was. Took sonic 1 and made it 5 times as good.
Sonic cd I don't know why people like this so much, the level design is just... weird. Don't like it much. Actually seems like they took sonic 1 and took it in another direction (as the sonic 2 team did)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles A bit same old from sonic 2, except bigger and better music. I love the music in this.
Sonic 3d Not bad and has the best megadrive music ever, but not really a good gameplay style for a sonic game.
Master system
Sonic 1 harder than the megadrive version, great little game
Sonic 2 graphics are a little bland, easier than 1 though
Sonic chaos Tried to be like sonic 2 on the megadrive, good but slows down too much.
Gamecube
Sonic adventure really really buggy but still quite fun if you can ignore that and the awful voice acting.
Sonic adventure 2 fixed most of the bugs, but the different gameplay choices ruined the fun for me, also it just seems to have lost the magic of the earlier games.
Ps2
Sonic heroes starts off better than SA1 and 2 because of the classic music style and massive levels, however it's almost as buggy as SA1 and the team play thing kills off most of the speed.
Neogeo pocket
sonic pocket adventure Ok, like sonic 2. but limited by systems capabilities.
GBA
Sonic advance Really very good, but the level design and seeming lack of speed stops this being as good as the megadrive games.
Nintendo ds
Sonic rush I thought it was going to be really good, I loved the music (YOU HEAR ME!!) but the level design is really just run and jump, and there are far too many unavoidable deaths like running under a crusher or falling down a bottomless pit.
So i reckon it peaked with Sonic 2 on the megadrive.
Yeah let Sonic die. BUT NINTENDO, NEVER LET ZELDA OR MARIO DIE FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!!
All Sonic games are just plain shit, people think they're great games cuz the main character is cool and charismatic. Otherwise, this franchise would be already dead by the second game.
Tim: Sonic Spinball, you dumb shit. Further to your dumbshittedness, Sega still exists. They don't make consoles, but they're still a multi-billion-dollar developer.
AndyUK: Mmm, I didn't say they were bad, just that they were average. Had they not been released solely to provide Sega with a better mascot than Alex Kidd (tbh though I dig Miracle World a hell of a fuck more than any Sonic game ever), do you think there would've been so many damn sequels? If not for the marketing, I don't see how Sonic 1 could have warranted Sonic 2. Maybe that's just me.
I thought for the last couple of games that they were just in a bad phase, but the latest one affirms that they've gone entirely mad. Also, Crush 40 should release a new album instead of writing increasingly terrible music for the games.
Nintendo hasn't run Zelda into the ground like Sega has Sonic. Instead of throwing link into everything; they make us wait long periods of time in between his appearances. Sega should bury sonic for a while and give us a sweet new Vectorman or something.
All the Sonic's on the Game Gear were completely terrible by the way. 2 enemies per level?! Pathetic...
Out of all the Sonic games to date, I think Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my favorite. Sonic 2 falls into my second favorite. I have Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic R, and Sonic CD for the PC, and of those 3, Sonic 3D Blast is my favorite. Out of all the newer Sonic games, excluding the next gen ones (haven't played them yet), Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite, and Sonic Heroes is my second favorite. I have Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Heroes.
PS: I have the Sonic Mega Collections for GameCube, so I'll still pick up the game and play it when I'm bored.
I supose that is true Radix.
I love Alex kidd in miracle world too.
I still say although a very large part of the series is average, the main Megadrive games are well above average in my opinion.
"SONIC CD which was like first console cd game? .. first and last on the genesis anyways :\ which was an awesome game and was really far ahead for its time."
It wasn't the first console cd game. Nor very far ahead of it's time because it's just the same sort of thing as Sonic 1 with cd streaming music and a few poor quality fmv's added.
Sonic Adventure 2: Appalling; they mixed different gameplay styles, the majority of the game was played with either the mechs or the chaos emerald hunting mode. Only Sonics stages were any fun.
I agree, the Sonic/Shadow stages were great, but Tails/Robotnik stages were pretty dull. The Knuckles/Rogue stages were ok I guess, but Sonic was were the fun was at.
Master system
Sonic 1 harder than the megadrive version, great little game
Sonic 2 graphics are a little bland, easier than 1 though
The hell? Sonic 2 was a damn lot harder.
Yeah let Sonic die. BUT NINTENDO, NEVER LET ZELDA OR MARIO DIE FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!!
*cough* fanboy *cough* If Mario died, who would they throw into numerous party and sports spinoffs? Do we really need eight Mario Party games?
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I found the Tails/Robotnik and Knuckles/Rogue stages to be extremely boring/annoying. The Sonic/Shadow stages were the only reason I really played, even though I beat the game.
The trouble with Sonic Heroes, I found (quite apart from the eagerness with which all your characters fall off the stage all the time) was that it could have been a Lost Vikings-style puzzle game, but instead, you're told exactly which character to use at every opportunity - which makes it just running fast a lot with some unnecessary pauses while you switch around.
Radix, wtf... there was no need for that, c'mon. I was recalling titles off of the top of my head ok? Please pardon my imperfect memory, ffs.
As with everything, its a matter of taste and opinion I guess - to roughly quote Adam I love Sonic and will continue to... at least the retro days anyway... I don't waste time playing consoles any more.
I completely agree with Wong, as far as Sonic Heroes goes... that is the main thing that bothered me. It could have been an interesting puzzle game, but it was completely ruined, because they wanted to 'expand' the playability to younger, less capable players.
The way I see it though is, the audience they were trying to expand to, wouldn't be able to play it anyway, because the game just felt way to glitchy and bugged out, for anyone who didn't know what they were doing, to play through, and not die every couple of minutes.
sonic rivals for psp is the most frustrating game i have ever played. the graphics are FUCKING IMPRESSIVE for a psp game and make me come in my pants but there are parts in the game missing (HORRIBLE BUGS) so that you and the CPU just can’t beat a race. You just can’t pass a looping because there’s a “speeder” missing and other stuff and there is nothing you can do about it. How frustrating is that?
I have dealt with bugs before in games but they always disappeared or there was a way around but this game is bloody 2d and there is no way around and the bug always appears.
The new sonic game for Wii looks VERY GREAT and enjoyable though and I am really looking forward it. I always liked Sonic more than Mario the engine of Sonic 2 is also way more complex than the engine of that Mario game for SNES.
Just try to code a Mario game and then a Sonic game in MMF
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with recycling characters. It's a marketing thing foremost of course, but it also carries a shittonne of references and motifs you can add to otherwise unrelated games. I don't like sport games as a rule, but I'm not adverse to the occasional MARIO SPORT THING because I know it's likely to be a light party game, possibly with a bit of humour, and Peach looks tasty in shorts.
Anyone that has tried an xmas compo here knows how difficult it can be to add pointless xmassy stuff all over the place, but anyone that has started a sequel to one of their own games will know how fun it can be to reuse motifs.
No matter what, it still comes down to quality. Mario doesn't really have a personality, so it doesn't ruin him if he appears in a crappy game. On the other hand, Sega invested a lot in Sonic's attitude, as part of their campaign to make him so much 'cooler' than Mario. If he's fucked up in one game (or other medium, even), it can sour an important part of what makes him marketable.
Wooooong: did you miss the part where he claimed Sega doesn't exist anymore? And it's not like he hasn't demonstrated more than once how fucking retarded he is.
Wow, i missed that comment too. That is a pretty ignorant statement.
I think the story is something like,
They were losing too much money so they had to stop manufacuring the dreamcast and start concentrating on games (and probably downsizing or whatever term you use for sacking/firing lots of people)
So there is no need for every sonic game to be a killer app anymmore because it's just a game rather than a console seller.
I think basically they saw the path the competition was taking and didn't want to have to follow suit to stay competetive (ffs, anyone that hasn't lost a few billion over the last couple of years is already more profitable than microsoft's console division). In addition to the third party games (which is split into a bunch of subsidiaries mostly) they also own arcades, theme parks, movie and merchandise licenses, and probably a bunch of japanese love hotels.
Sonic 2 (Mega Drive) was brilliant. Got chuffed off my face when I bought it from EB for £7.99 back in the 90s. There was just something terribly average about Sonic 1 and Mario 1, but Mario 3 and Sonic 2 were just killer. Soon as them games hit the Wii virtual console I'll probably never need buy another VC game again. Loved them games way before they were nostalgic.
I sorta like Sonic Advance 1. It felt very close to the original Mega Drive series.
Sonic Advance 2 was crap. They really messed up on that one. Music World? pah.
Sonic Advance 3... Haven't played much of this yet but I think it's certainly better than SA2.
Sonic Rush? No thanks. I keep going back to it but I put it back down after a minute. They pissed up Sonics inertia which makes it feel less Sonic-y, terrible music and dull level design. Tails puts the nail in the coffin though, him screaming "YES!" whenever you land on a zone on the map is irritating. And why the hell is a Sonic game going on about "a rip in the space time continuum". It's bloody Sonic for Christs sake!
*agrees with him ending soon. what a waste of a good character.
Personally, I think Sonic still has some life in him, but what Sega really needs to start doing, is take a year or so, and just sit down and make an extremely good 3D engine, focus on ALL of the problems in all the 3D games, and just work on a really stable, fun, nearly bugless engine. When they do that, they can start to apply that engine onto newer games. As fun as SA and SA2 are, the movement engine just sucks compared to the 2D games.
The game play in the original games, involved running through loops, up slopes, leaping over spikes, hitting springs, enemies, etc. All through a large chain reaction that never truly left the player out of control. If they fell somewhere, they'd fall to another part of the level, and continue playing. If they came to a loop, they could run up it, and if they didn't have the speed, they'd fall off. They wouldn't get trapped into a mini-cinematic where the camera goes into fancy angles, and forces control into the computers buggy hands.
All of this stuff was taken away from the game, when it was put into 3D, because they didn't spend enough time to sit back and actually put it in. They were more focused on taking advantage of loops, and making it feel like a huge movie, when that is NOT why Sonic was a great game.
Yeah, Sonic, out of ALL games, is my favorite "classic" (Can it be called a classic?) game. And to this day, is my favorite game character.
They kinda over done the whole "Hedgehog with ATTITUDE" thing... I have the normal Sonic on my pillowcase.. the cuter friendlier one The way he's meant to be.
I love the rabbits, I think Rayman needs to be scrapped alot sooner than Sonic however. He such boring character design
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DaVince This fool just HAD to have a custom rating
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Still, I was talking about the attitude. The game was ok and looked very good in the original. Rayman 2 was a bit too childish, Rayman 3 was just about right in my opinion, but Rayman 4 will have too much attitude, or at least senseless violence.
Oh I see. Hmmm well I had rayman for the GBA. The character sprite was big, so you could'nt see a great way ahead of you. Also the graphics were pretty dark in some spots, especially the earlier forest levels
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DaVince This fool just HAD to have a custom rating
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The PC version is better. No palette reduction like on the GBA and fully visible screen.
I personally love Sonic. All Mega Drives Sonics, and Sonic Adventure 1 are my favorites. But from there it all went downhill for me. Sonic Adventure 2 mostly sucked. Sonic Heroes was ok, but nothing great or exciting, Shadow the hedgehog should not have left the planning stages, that game was just horrible. Sonic Advance series were fun, specially the third one. Sonic Rush, I start playing it now and I love the music, but that's all really a matter of taste and opinion.
It breaks my heart how Sega refuses to give Sonic a decent 3D game. Sonic put Sega where it is right now, or put Sega in the map back then, and Sonic deserves more than these mediocre games. I haven't played the new one yet but honestly, I think I will wait until the system's and the games prices drop until I spend my money one it.
I've seen it, it's great I can't wait for Sonic Rivals to arrive. I pre ordered it back in June when walmart had a mistake on their page and were charging for it only $19.99 when it should be $34.95 lol it should be here tomorrow
wong: "Actually, I liked the Sonic games better before he was given a voice and personality, because it was then that I realized that I couldn't stand him. "
yeh good point. he is a complete prick imho
i wish there was a way to play midis in a thread. i would play the marble zone music in this thread.
I too hate mushrooms. They seem slimey and too smooth in texture. One of my friends has this scary fetish where she wants to have a cold bath filled with mushrooms floating in the water.
he had a voice in sonic cd, and he had a personality all along. all though most of the personality thing was actually part of the marketing rather than the actual games back then.
Sonic was only popular because all the other games were trash in the era. I never really liked the sonic games. All you did was run around and collect round yellow thingies which dropped whenever you did anything. All that effort gone into collecting round thingies would just go to waste whenever I bump into some monkey .
What made sonic good was the level design. You'd go underwater or jump onto things or both. And the boss was pretty fun too. But either way, I still find that MJ's Moonwalker game most fun on the Genesis/Megadrive. You get to kick commies, make zombies dance, and the life goes full whenever MJ touches a little girl .
However, the Sonic comic/series was good. The one where Robotnik has a metal hand and a deep voice, where Sonic's uncle is half-robot. That put some wierd dark twist to sonic, but it was interesting to watch, like Desperate Housewives and the Batman series.
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Oh yeah, I remember that one with the giant hand. It was part of some huge robot, but then only the hand was left, and it was like super-powerful or something. Actually I have a feeling that whole thing was a parody of something else.
Ah yeah.. wasn't that "Silver Sonic" aka "Metal Sonic"... though lately they've made him into a massive robot thing that only just about looks like sonic :\
I remember Metal Sonic on Sonic 2 on the Mega Drive He was quite hard
Hehe, there's to many types of robotic sonic to keep up with!! One's blue, one's silver, one's rather big, one's rather big and red (innuendo's aside - the name's mega metal sonic or something.. lool) Craziness
I think the large blue one is called something like metal madness and the other red one is metal overlord or something similar...
And I think the first ever metal sonic was a metallic grey and first appeared in Sonic CD..
Edit: I'm pretty sure that "Mecha" sonic was just the Japanese equivalent to our Metal Sonic :\ aka Silver Sonic
There was a metal sonic in both sonic 2 and sonic cd, they were made by different teamsa Only the one from sonic cd seems to ever been used again.
Also the sonic the hedgehog games were fun to play, I enjoed sonic adventure although it was painfully clear that 3d was not as good as 2d. Ever since then it's getting a little worse. Sonic heroes is probably the last 3d sonic game i'll ever get. I was also dissapointed with Sonic rush.
Wong: In the comics, first there was Pseudo Sonic (who was like a fat little robot clone), and then in their 25th issue Mecha Madness special, which I still have, they did a tie-in with Metal Sonic, only he was called Mecha Sonic and Knuckles had to go through the robotizer they got when they rescued Bunnie to become Mecha Knuckles in order to fight it. It was still the same guy.
Isn't Sonic the Comic more of a kid's comic? The Archie comic started off that way, then got pretty awesome after a couple of issues, then really sucked after a couple dozen when the staff changed.
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I can't wait for Sonic Rivals to arrive. I pre ordered it back in June when walmart had a mistake on their page and were charging for it only $19.99 when it should be $34.95 lol it should be here tomorrow
