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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
10th January, 2004 at 05:07:43 -
Please note several things: 1) This post is _not_ another of my long winded soon-to-be-famous "fascist" rants. 2) The below post is entirely my own perogative; I haven't asked anyone else about it so I cannot make any promises 3) I'm getting very bored with long adminish posts so this will be the last, I promise
OK. You may have read, skimmed or ignored my "Freedom of Speech" topic. I say that the members of DC do not deserve freedom of speech... but that doesn't mean that you don't get it, to a degree, or that we want to deprive you of it. Just that you shouldn't expect it.
So, I want to hear YOUR ideas. The site needs a set of rules that we can point to and say "These have been broken". All the other sites have them, whereas DC doesn't even have a set of guidelines. I am aware this has been raised in the past, but in lieu of recent happenings I want to push it through, so that new and old alike will know what is expected of them at this site. And I want to make the chosing of the rules a democratic process... just to show that we're not Nazis! (Like you thought we were anyway )
Please post sensible suggestions for rules relating to the use of this site. Feel free to debate other's suggestions but don't wonder off topic. And keep this post for RULES suggestions only, not suggestions for the addition of features etc.
I'll start off (feel free to argue)
- No use of deflamatory language directed at others
- No otherwise use of racial or ethnic slur
- No repeat postings about the same game... e.g. spamming
- Previews and downloads must contain at least one screenshot and a sizeable description
- Articles must be well written, to the point and relevant to kliking
I disagree with the screenshot and description thing. Screenshots can be a bother with most free servers and descriptions are hard work to the many people who don't know much English.
It's enough of a punishment as it is when the user doesn't put them there. Bad comments, ignored stuff, etc. Heck, back in my days as an admin, SC told us that we should put ALL the decent games with screenshots and descriptions on the front page.
As for articles, not all of them need be written that well. What's important is that they give any form of benefit whatsoever, even if it's non-klik related. I'd say that a very nice article on pancake recipes would be tolerable. After all, it takes more effort to write an article than to read it. And you don't have to read an article you don't wanna read.
I agree with the others, though. Especially the first. If you're gonna flame someone, at least let it be of benefit. Anything like "you're an idiot" without any point to it should be deleted.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
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Actually, I agree with everything Pete has said. There are so many games at DC, and if you compare the number of games with no screenshots to the number which do have them, and compare them to the download count, you'll find that no-screens equals very few downloads. We only have your word on what that game will be like. Screenshots help to advertise your game, and there are so many hosts which DO accept screenshots, so there really is no excuse not to include them. I think a game without screenshots should automatically be rejected.
I also think that you can only submit ONE preview of a game, and not 5 or 6 new ones containing new information. Just ONE preview, which can be edited and updated when necessary. And once the game is released... delete the preview! And don't bother previewing a game if only a couple of days later it's due to be released. Whats the point? It's a hype attempt, and you don't get hype in a couple of days, it takes a while.
Admins should make games! So it gives us rebels plenty of insult material!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
No screenshot, but a description. Shen, character limits are dumb-- i've posted on a character-limit site before. I had written this awesome article about sprites that i spent an hour on, and was 5 characters over.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
Not large limits, I meant; just enough to keep people from "hey I just made this game and it's quite gd! can u download it and tell me wht u think." ing.
"Previews and downloads must contain at least one screenshot and a sizeable description"
Not everyone knows a server that supports screenshots that can be seen on TDC. The games without screenshots will probably get overlooked anyways.
How about these rules:
-For each thumbs up that your game gets, you get 1 DC point.
-The admins must update the Game of the Week poll every week.
-The General poll must be updated every other week.
All of my screen shots are cut off by Downloadz . Yet again I need to find a better server. But I agree with Pete Nattress about the 'racial or ethinc slur,' and the "use of deflamatory language directed at others" bit.
Fine Garbage since 2003.
CURRENT PROJECT:
-Paying off a massive amount of debt in college loans.
-Working in television.
I never thought you were Nazis!
Pete, Circy, and AA are some of my
favorite members.
I agree about the screenshot but
I think the description needs to
say what is needed.
(1 1/2 para AT LEAST; say stuff about the game itself)
Otherwise good! Except, relevant to game making, not
JUST kliking. Kliking a Plus though.
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-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
-Get rid of DC-points.
-Ban deflamatory language directed at others and racial or ethnic slur.
-Stop spamming and flaming.
-Make downloads and previews contain at least one screenshot.
-Write a rules page.
If there weren't any ratings, clickers would be less productive. Ratings produce competition which is essential to for game development. Without competition and goals, we wouldn't make as many games and, therefore, we won't obtain as much experience from making simpler games and then builing up.Having goals and comptition drives game development like most other things.
REMEMBER PEOPLE!
A picture may be worth 1000 words, but pictures
are very one-minded in their interests. Write
GOOD descriptions!
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
No fat chicks, na just kidding, I can't tell the difference online anyway. Seriously though, I think that reviewing your own game should either be allowed or disabled. I also noticed that it's possible to review the same game twice to get more DC points. Then again, if I wanted DC points, I could get them more easily than reviewing the same game twice.
Copy this to your hard drive. It will be worth alot when I'm famous.
Notice: Spelling mistakes above left in for people who need to correct others to make their life fulfilled.
"A picture may be worth 1000 words, but pictures are very one-minded
in their interests. Write GOOD descriptions!" -Keatonian 1/11/2004
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
A set of rules would be a great idea. Most sites have them ... and you have to accept them when you join.
Then when a rule is broken the admin can simply specify "You broke rule number X" and thats it. No mistakes. As to the contents ... hmm ...
I agree with what Pete suggests allthough I think there is more and some topics could be explained further. Bear in mind though, that simple rules are more likely to be read and followed than complex ones. A 1000 lined blabber-blabber text is not likely to be read.
"why try and make a perfect site by taking away ratings and making everyone equal".
We dont necessary want to make everyone equal. But is it not the "spirit" of TDC that everyone is equally good and can submit articles and games no matter the quality?
As another thread puts it a "member since xx-xx-xxxx" could generally tell more about the user. The longer a member the "better" a person skill/participation wise (that would account for the standard user).
As there is no distinguish between quality and quantity in the current DC rating system a high rating could easily mean "Im a good crap poster" as well as "Ive posted a lot of good stuff to the community".
Well, this is probably more than any of you will be able to sit through reading given your 15-second attention spans, especially since none of these changes will actually take place, but I did use a lot of bullet points.
1. First off, people should probably stop agreeing that "deflamatory" language should not be used since it's not a word. Inflamatory plus defamatory does not equal deflamatory.
2. Screen shots and minimum character limits should be required. Why?
2a. Nobody wants to go through the bother of downloading your crap if you can't go through the bother of advertising its features.
2b. All these retarded "previews" where people talk about games they've just decided to make, but obviously never will complete, are a waste of time and space. Screen shots and character limits will weed out a lot of this crap by ensuring that at least *some* work has been done on a previewed project.
3. For many of these same reasons, articles should be well-written and apply to clicking. If you want a well-written article on pancake recipes, go to pancakes.org. If you want a badly written article, well, most people here can obviously write their own. Articles should be much more selectively edited and organized according to their content.
4. The DC rating is kind of ridiculous since it attempts to correlate your level of expertise with how much you post. People who frequent the site are aware of this misrepresentation, and most people don't care, but I can see how a new member could think they were getting a good answer from an "expert" member who was really only 13 years old and had only gained that rating by posting a lot of vaporware previews. So, yes, a person's level of expertise, as it pertains to The Daily Click more so than to Clicking in general, would be more accurately reflected if it were based on how long someone had been a member.
5. One should be limited to one preview per project. As far as not posting a preview too soon before a project is released, well, that's very subjective. If a game only takes a week to make, a couple of days beforehand is actually fairly far from the end of development. Then again, a project that only takes a week probably doesn't need a preview to begin with. Still, I think there would be enough restrictions on previews with the changes already suggested to curb enough abuse.
6. Personally, I would like to see a few age-specific forums here. Maybe three forums, and you can only choose to be a part of one of them: one for littler kids to discuss the ins and outs of Pokemon, one for the older teenagers who are not totally retarded but yet discuss everything as though they're the first people on earth to have such thoughts, and one for old decrepit bastards who haven't figured out that they should probably drop clicking completely and get a real hobby. Then again, I represent a real minority on this point and I'm certain there aren't enough people here to fill the third forum to make it of much use. Still, I like the core of the site and I like to pretend more experienced people would stick around if they didn't have to wade through so much of the kiddie stuff.
And... that should probably kill the discussion right there. Thanks, everybody!
Anyway, it's a good topic, Pete, because it lets people believe for a short amount of time in the illusion that their opinions matter and that things may change here.
Also, you should be allowed to use indentations in your posts. Sheesh. No wonder nobody reads multiparagraph posts. That's just ugly.
Also, you should be able to edit your overly long posts to add line breaks to make them less visually horrifying. "You cannot edit this post." WHY THE HELL NOT???
Indenting like this? Yes, it is retarded that some people post previews for games that they finish in within one week. As for vaporware previews, that can't b e helped by most people. I just got an idea. If the preview's posted make a commetn that says that they've quit making the game, others can use the game as abandonware.Or if nobdy takes over the permanently abandoned project, the vaporware previews will at least give others some ideas for games.
Now here's another indented paragraph....or sentence.
i dont entirely agree with
"Previews and downloads must contain at least one screenshot and a sizeable description"
how about -you must write either a sizable description or post a screenshot with every submitted game.
but if pictures are neccesary mabye you could put some links on the submit page so the people can access them at the right time.
otherwise i can see millions of new posts where people go to submit a game and then need a link to a host for their screenshots.
and ratings? how about making it harder to get dc points,
base it on time spent active or something?
ive got an idea
every admin could have 1 vote per day for another user worth 1 dc point
and only if the user is voted for will they get the dc point
defenestrator, a really good and well considered post indeed! I agree on almost all your points. I guess Im in the minority group then, since Im well past 20 ... actually reaching 24 in march .
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. Yet again I need to find a better server. But I agree with Pete Nattress about the 'racial or ethinc slur,' and the "use of deflamatory language directed at others" bit.
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