I hate when people comment when they don't read the previous posts.
I suggest you read what was said above, then you can understand what we are talking about, because you have it 100% backwards.
You're comparing a city which I could fly across the ocean in a plane and go and see, to some history which is only documented in a book where babies are born to virgins, people part rivers, and a dude turns water into wine.
Wrong, my whole point of view throughout this discussion has been how Constantine made Jesus out to be some magical guy, when in truth he was just a man. What I am comparing is Pete's comment on the lack of proof stated here:
so what if Christ has been invented by someone, or that texts that spoke of him as a mortal man were destroyed? as an atheist it is of no consequence to me, and a Christian would just demand proof, which you don't have, or at least haven't presented to us.
I presented the historical facts in my above post.
What I am saying is that the Council of Nicaea was just as real as New York.
Actually I didn't get any of my information from Wikipedia, but offered it up as a source for people who wanted to learn more about it. I didn't know it wasn't a reliable source.
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I've seen the effect of religious belief on people. It either turns them into extremists or lets them know that they can trust in someone. And considering how depression and suicide rates are significantly higher than those of religious people, I guess religion isn't half bad, whether or not God(s) exist.
Not to bash atheists or anything; it's just that too many have become what they've always opposed. I've seen plenty of religious debates, and fact is, some atheists seem to bash religion as if their souls depended on it. It's quite sad, really. All those people out there banning religious movies or any religious symbols...
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Bible this and Bible that. I don't know! You see we all have beliefs and those beliefs are all wrong!!! NONE OF YOU ARE RIGHT! NITHER AM I!!!! So i have come to the conclusion that it is best to not believe anything at all. If someone brings evidence to you that is so true that you can't not believe....... run like a little girl because he or she is the source of all evil in the world. Anyway remember to worship the NINJAS!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm penguinian. I worship penguins. Y'know, because they came to earth (which was then nothing but a small single island containing only a single fruit which tasted quite, but not entirely, unlike prunes) from the Penguinstar, to create the world we now live in. Bless the penguins!
To support the Penguinian religion, call 999 PENGUINS ROXX0RZ now!
Ninjas, eh Ninja man?
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Actually, that sounds pretty cool! Who needs penguins anyway?
To support the Ninja-ish religion, call 897 NINJAS KICK BOTTOM now,
And donate ‘till you family jewels fall off! Or else the ninjas may pay you a visit…
Mwahaha.
I used to be into the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy religion (I still read their bible sometimes), and it is very belivable, you know, about those mice who contacted those people who made earth as project to find the question to the answer FORTY-TWO.
Or something like that. But then I found the answer, "What do you get if you multiply six by nine". So then I got into the penguian-orwhatever religion.
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The content above makes absolutely no sense. But I guess you've already figured that out.
"Proof? Go look up The Council of Nicaea. Perhaps no matter what anyone says, no one can prove anything. You might as well stop believing in New York. "
"You're comparing a city which I could fly across the ocean in a plane and go and see, to some history which is only documented in a book where babies are born to virgins, people part rivers, and a dude turns water into wine. It's not really the same now, is it?"
JP: He is making sense and is actually reading your post. He's not denying the fact about the Council of Nicea but of the statement you made about New York.
The funny thing is, in Catholic School (grade-school) all you learned about the Council of Nicea was that it created the Apostles Creed, and nothing about Constantine and the politics behind it.
I've seen the effect of religious belief on people. It either turns them into extremists or lets them know that they can trust in someone. And considering how depression and suicide rates are significantly higher than those of religious people, I guess religion isn't half bad, whether or not God(s) exist.
Not to bash atheists or anything; it's just that too many have become what they've always opposed. I've seen plenty of religious debates, and fact is, some atheists seem to bash religion as if their souls depended on it. It's quite sad, really. All those people out there banning religious movies or any religious symbols...
I dunno Muz, I'm going to have to take the opposite stance on that. I mean, religion is good and all, I have seen many loving families as a result of their love for god. But I don't know where you are getting your suicide rate numbers from. What about suicide bombers? I really do not think the number sways much to either side.
Also, in debates, you are supposed to stand your ground and debate! That is what they are for, it really isn’t quite sad, its a nice place to have a civilized argument.
And you really got far out at the end. Banning religious symbols? Are you talking about the separation of church from state? That is a good thing. Having the 10 commandments displayed in a court could be offensive to Buddhists, or Muslims, or any other religion.
And banning religious movies? I would like an example of that. It is actually the other way around. Such as Christians banning Harry Potter from schools.
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No flash, I stand by my comment. It might be poorly written, but I was comparing the Council to New York, equally real.
The reason I think he hadn't read the above posts is because his comments implied that I believed what was written in the bible.
" to some history which is only documented in a book where babies are born to virgins, people part rivers, and a dude turns water into wine. It's not really the same now, is it?"
Incorrect, I have been debunking the miracles, and saying that they embellished those stories in the Council of Nicaea.
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ASHMAN SAID:[quote]If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it from your face. If your right hand causes you to sin, remove it and cast it from your body.
I read something like that in a Bible I stole from a hotel room... it freaked me out, so I threw it out the car window. True story.
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Yo I know dude hey... Ok I read in the newspaper about 2 weeks ago or somthing that a guy in jail ripped out his right eye or somthing while he quoted that thing you just quoted!!! They brought him to the hospital and tryed to re-attach the eye but couldn't... I guess he is now in restraints.... lmao..weird eh!
"I have dreamed a dream... But now that dream is gone from me."
I dont belive in New York, nor do i belive in tables, i know they exist, and so they do not require my belief (Diskworld anyone?) If you get one of the more interesting versions of the bible it says that the reason for the second coming of christ is so he can tell christians that there idiots and there not supposed to be worshipping him. Sounds like Constantine wasnt very thurough (soz cant spell that word) and did you know that Constantine is the name of the main character of a very cool comic called Hellblazer, which is being 'converted' to a movie called Constantine? irrelevent eh?
Twas brillig, and the slivey toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe,
All mimsy were the borogroves,
And the momewraths outgrabe.
Constantine not thorough? He was so thorough that hardly anyone knows the true history. I give him props for his thoroughness.
I see your are a Lewis Carroll fan. Do you know what The Walrus and the Carpenter is about?
That poem, The Walrus & the Carpenter, that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus -- with his girth and his good nature -- he obviously represents either Buddha, -- or with his tusks -- the Hindu Elephant God, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now, the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now, in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They -- they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures, en masse. Now, I dunno what that says to you, but to me, it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures insures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions, out of - out of fear of some -- some intangible parent figure who -- who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago, and says -- and says: "Do it, do it and I'll fucking spank you!"
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Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
X_Sheep:
Voila. You guys just made it a controversial subject
Hey, the title would be all mistaken if we didn't. Though if people actually understood what JP wrote, it would be controversial in the first place. I still think that Christianity would be a great religion if only the Bible was left to be as it was in the first place.
JP:
I meant 'debate' as in the unofficial kind. You know, like on the DC or IRC.
Suicide bombers are just a tiny fraction of suicides out there. It's just that suicides happen so often these days that people don't even mention them in the news anymore, despite the fact that most people count them as murder.
I live in a multi-religious community, and trust me, after a few months, most people around here aren't the least bit against religious acts. Hindus don't mind it when Muslims pray in public here. Muslims don't mind when Hindus walk the streets in some mass religious ceremony. It's only the atheists that seem to complain about religion.
What I meant was stuff like in some countries where they ban Muslim women from covering their hair or ban people from praying in public. I mean, to some girls, showing off their hair is like showing off their chests. It's just plain evil to oppress people like that. And by banned religious movies, I meant that movie that umm... Mel Gibson directed. Though I can understand how annoying it is to see religious fanatics ban a movie (but I can understand if they wanted it to be rated PG or something).
If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it from your face. If your right hand causes you to sin, remove it and cast it from your body.
Somehow I forgot to mention this earlier, but that's one of the funniest things I've ever read this week. If only more people actually did that in this modern era .
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