JP: Hey how do you know Im 16? Hey you don't! Oh man, that was so good. You got the "short reply" and everything! So sassy of you. I bet you felt so good when you typed that in. Or as you call it a "Euphoria". Awesome. Short response, yay.
So you doing some research in your little ann coulter book or what ?
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"...we got rid of all our nukes..."
-I don't think we should get rid of all the nukes. But, because we have enough to destroy the planet 3 times over we should really limit ourselves to say maybe 50. I think 50 is more than enough to win any war. I think we should continue to build up our armies. I think we should build the first robot army so that we would have 0 casualties in the next war. That would be cool.
Man, Ann coulter is dumb.
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"Meanwhile I hate people who are against Iraq so they can be "controversial". It isn't an invasion, it's solidarity. We are staying in Iraq to show them how to govern a country. We are saving so many lives."
If you think Im doing this to be controversial your wrong. Im doing this cause it's what I believe in.
I think it's great that we are freeing the Iraqi people. Great, why did we say there were WMD's there? Furthermore, were is the connection between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussein?
Why doesn't Bush just say he fucked up, is it so hard?
By the way, didn't anyone think that we might be creating more terrorsim in Iraq then were eliminating?
Terrorism doesn't take the form of a country. You can't attack Iraq and say "HEY, it's gone; the terrorsim is gone!".
And as for the lives we are saving? The U.S. had a trade embargo on Iraq the last decade and we didn't send them any medicine so thousands of baby's died. It's estimated that since we didn't take out Saddam in 91 some 1 million people have died as a result. Yeah, lots of lives saved.
Lets get one thing straight. Im not for terrorism. Im not for saddam hussein. Im for freeing Iraq. I don't think this administration is doing enough to counter terrorism. I don't think the way to eliminate terrorism is by going into Iraq though. Thats a liberating mission, which if that had been the primary cause of the Iraqi war; with more planning, I would've been OKAY with! What we need to do is strengthen our borders, defense. The best offense is a good defense.
Why am I so pissed though? After all we are freeing the Iraqi people? We created Iraq. We Created Al-Queda. Do your homework. You'll find we had huge rolls in creating both. Know, however; President Bush is only offering contracts to primarily U.S. companies. The U.S. is facing all the deaths. Were stealing oil from the Iraqi people. We are too close with the Saudis. We rushed in, without plans. It's a mess.
One last thing. Bob Woodwards book. Pres. Bush and John Kerry both said to read it. Funny thing is, Pres. Bush said read it and his administration said "but, this and this and this...is not true." The rest is real!
(sigh) I was hoping to stay outta this, but oh well... time to voice MY opinion.
1. War is almost always bad. The loser suffers HUGE economic problems and the 'winner' still suffers. The only time war was ever good is when some country assimilates another completely, like um... ancient China.
2. STOP LISTENING TO THE GODDAMN MEDIA, YOU DAMN IDIOTS! Everything they say supports whatever the government does, right or wrong. Those that attempt to go unbiased (e.g. BBC, get bashed like HELL).
3. I once thought 50% of the world were blind sheep, but now I think it's more like 80%. Like a wise person once said, "No one make conscious decisions anymore and I hate it!" Most people are either scared of peer pressure or just plain naive. It's far worse in the real world than it is here in the DC. Thing is, only smart people bother to make games and it sickens me to see how so few people here realise that they're smarter than the rest of the world.
4. Liberalism doesn't work in theory. Democracy doesn't work. Socialism doesn't work. Monarchy doesn't work. No goverment system EVER works the way it's meant to. The only goverment system that would work is if INTELLIGENT people were candidates and weren't elected by gullible fools.
5. There's no such thing as good and evil. "Good" is whatever we are. "Evil" is whatever opposes us. America thinks terrorists are evil. Terrorists think America is evil. The only people who would admit to being "evil" are immature punks who think it's cool to be mean.
6. "We are staying in Iraq to show them how to govern a country. We are saving so many lives."
No offense, Teapot, but that's just what pisses me off most about western nations. They think they're perfect while the little 3rd-world countries are primitive. The western media always hides the civilian casualties, though Asian newspapers often try to dig up every single civilian loss (kids with bullets in their heads, lost arms, etc).
7. Don't take it so hard on the world leaders. No matter what they do, someone will complain. Human nature. People tend to grab every word and either twist it against them or towards them. Don't believe me? Look at the comments on most of the articles I wrote recently .
As for the pulling out thing, I support it all the way. They can't do a thing for people who won't listen. They destroyed hospitals with those stupid so-called accurate cruise missiles and 'smart bombs'. You leave people there... soldiers and civilians die. You take them out, civilians die. Either way, someone dies. Best hope is to pull out and hope that the Iraqis kill each other or move to another country. They'll get bored eventually and elect another Saddam. Anarchy never lasts.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
OK DEC, you first. My rebuttals in chronological order to your posts.
4/29/2004
DEC: " 'Liberalism works in theory, but not in real life.' That’s the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I think you've been reading to much Ann coulter."
I don't think you know what Liberalism is, so here is a definition for you:
"A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority."
Because that has some big words in it, let me break it down for you: Liberalism's based on people. Why it wont work? Because people (you) are stupid. Therefore we need the select few to run the country, people we vote in that have our best interest in mind.
Ann Coulter? Never heard of her, nor read anything she has written. And I bet neither have you, your hate and ignorance of her probably stems from your short sightedness, and intolerance of people with different views.
DEC: "Yeah, and conservatism is great if you want to waste money.
I don't think you know what conservatism is. Conservatives want to keep the best in society and oppose radical changes. You have to spend money to make money.
Ok so your an independent, who gives a rip? And if your an independent, why are you advocating democrats?
And for the last time DEC, you do NOT VOTE, and I know your NOT above 18. How do I know? Because your account was created on 7/7/2003, and your profile says your 16. So quit the bullshit.
Referring to your last post:
DEC: " So you doing some research in your little Ann coulter book or what ?
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'...we got rid of all our nukes...'
-I don't think we should get rid of all the nukes. But, because we have enough to destroy the planet 3 times over we should really limit ourselves to say maybe 50. I think 50 is more than enough to win any war. I think we should continue to build up our armies. I think we should build the first robot army so that we would have 0 casualties in the next war. That would be cool.
Man, Ann coulter is dumb. "
So you take it automatically that when I am quiet for a while I start to read books by an author that I never heard of, and that you brought up?
Until this post I had never heard of her, so shut your trap.
Also, it would be good if you could say who you are quoting, because you are making it look like I said all that stuff, and also put quotation marks around ALL of the quote, because I don't know when the quotes end, and your stupid comments begin.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, your inept argument continues:
DEC: " Great, why did we say there were WMD's there? Furthermore, were is the connection between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussein? "
That’s an easy one, THERE ISNT! The only thing they have in common is that they are terrorists. This is a war on terror.
DEC: "Why doesn't Bush just say he fucked up, is it so hard? "
The same reason you don't say you fucked up, he believes that he is doing the right thing, and I will side with him because he is smarter, and has more resources than you.
DEC: "By the way, didn't anyone think that we might be creating more terrorism in Iraq then were eliminating? "
What? By making other countries hate us? Sure, but we win in the long run, after we eliminate terrorism. Your short sightedness angers me. Saying that republicans haven't raised money for the government? The terms are only 4-years, at most they can have 2 terms. Hardly enough time to reap in benefits from long term investments, which the Democrats have been getting the rewards of.
DEC: "terrorism doesn't take the form of a country. You can't attack Iraq and say 'HEY, it's gone; the terrorism is gone!".
I guess you don’t understand why we are in Iraq
“And as for the lives we are saving? The U.S. had a trade embargo on Iraq the last decade and we didn't send them any medicine so thousands of baby's died. It's estimated that since we didn't take out Saddam in 91 some 1 million people have died as a result. Yeah, lots of lives saved.”
A lot more lives saved than if we hadn’t, good thing BUSH had the mind to take out Saddam.
DEC: “Why am I so pissed though? After all we are freeing the Iraqi people? We created Iraq. We Created Al-Queda. Do your homework. You'll find we had huge rolls in creating both. Know, however; President Bush is only offering contracts to primarily U.S. companies. The U.S. is facing all the deaths. Were stealing oil from the Iraqi people. We are too close with the Saudis. We rushed in, without plans. It's a mess.”
You seem so hypocritical, Bush didn’t create Al-Queda, you seem to displacing all your anger on Bush. The country is using our president as a scapegoat, and that isn’t right. Just because you don’t understand some of his moves doesn’t make him wrong. You only see 1/3 of the chessboard.
Defenestrator: Grow up will you? You are on a site whose major population is under 21, yet I see that your 28. It is pitiful to see a 30 year old MAN making spiteful comments to teenage boys.
Defenestrator: “The funny thing is that half of you tools probably aren't old enough to vote. The other half probably aren't smart enough, but I guess that never stopped anybody.”
What you have to get is, your 30! Act like an adult, I have seen 13 year olds on TDC making more sophisticated comments than you. Stop making your crude comments and get married or something.
And when did ego become a bad thing, I hate all these yogi’s, hippies, and new-age Christians telling everybody that ego is bad, ego improves self-esteem.
And coming from you Defenestrator, one who almost perfectly crafted a sarcastic reply, I would think you would see when others exaggerate.
Muz: I agree with you Muz, war is inefficient, and should be eliminated. But, I think we had better clean up the mess we started in Iraq before we start the War on War.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
War would be strange without all these guns and missiles and camels, don't you think?
Anyways, yeah, Muz you like totally like rocked the crap out of this place with that speech and yes that is quite alot of yelling, but we could use smore, and I think JP like totally ownes you right now DEC, what with the figuring out your a kid and all and the niceness of his argument and all.
BTW Muz, THANK YOU! for saying something about the media! Way back in the day, we all could just go up and meet the people we are going to elect, not just shake his hand. Sometimes it was even like your best friend or something. Now all of them hide behind the cameras with the news crews giving soundbites to make a scandal or somthing, so your not getting to know the offical, really, but the newscaster. So it's kind of pointless to watch the news (News and Tabloids have become one!)
And sorry, I haven't made any games since I've been here, but I've been busy and I keep getting confused and starting over so na! Anyways...
I actually don't think the media casts a good light on the War or Bush. Every time I turn it on it's about "3more soldiers died today", or "still no WMD", and "99% of everyone hates Bush". And frankly, I get sick of the war, sick of Bush, sick of Kobe, MJ, Martha, and I just don't watch CNN anymore.
Gilgamesh: I’m glad you saw that I was trying to hold back my comments about DEC as a person. I found myself deleting slanderous comments about him, although I think a few slipped in the final draft.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
JP:
You can't defeat terrorism by defeating a country. Killing terrorists is like killing smart ants. You bomb the hive, they'll breed somewhere else. You nuke the queen, they'll get a new one. If you destroy the house they live in, it certainly doesn't mean that the ants are gone.
Only difference is that ants don't know the meaning of revenge. The more civilians you kill in a war, the more people are convinced that America (and it's allies) is evil. The more people will think that terrorism is right. However, I think that if Spain pulls their guys outta Iraq, it'll breed more terrorism... coz then the terrorists know that terrorism really works.
Yeah, I stand corrected on the media thing though. They don't go for what the government does. They just get news that people want to hear.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Now, don't think that all media is against the government, some of it is for it. And how do we know that the media isn't just working for the government and the government is all, hey lets first make someone look good, then make him look bad, then when the next guy takes over, he'll look twice as good. Well we may never know but, ah, it's not all that much to worry about.
Terrorism doesn't work. Terrorism is basically just giving someone an opinion or ideal by force. It's nearly impossible to force your opinion on someone. No matter if they say they do, they still don't have to believe it. Anyone can just say something, it takes alot more to believe it. As you can see, after 9/11, america didn't change. People are still just as stupid. But who knows, maybe it's all just a bunch of mish mosh that we shouldn't be messing with.
Sorry this isn't a very strong argument, and I need some sleep. Good night TDC!
I don't think I mentioned a country, but my stance is like this: I think that we have to treat Iraq like a child, and restrain the disobedient brat until he is old enough to compile, vocalize, and think rationally.
We have come very far in a short amount of time, and yet have barely scratched the surface. The problem is people, and even though we still have problems in the USA, it is nothing like the problems in the world.
The problem is compartmentalized information, resources, and lifestyle. We are still separated by physical boundaries, by big expanses of water.
It is inevitable that one day we will all have assimilated into one race. And when race isn’t an issue anymore, hopefully we won’t find something else to bicker about.
Evolution takes time, the dinosaurs had been around way longer than us, but they hadn’t created cars or computers. We have a long way to go, and the first step is to help developing countries contribute to the world.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
Terrorism doesn't work. Terrorism is basically just giving someone an opinion or ideal by force. It's nearly impossible to force your opinion on someone. No matter if they say they do, they still don't have to believe it.
Terrorism is a form of war. As with all wars, it's about forcing people to do what you want. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe in the opinion. And as evolution goes, the people will get bored of resisting and just give in.
I think that we have to treat Iraq like a child, and restrain the disobedient brat until he is old enough to compile, vocalize, and think rationally.
Iraq's like a disobedient brat that's played too much GTA and Counter-Strike and got a free AK-47 from a friend. Sure, you can try to restrain and reason with it, but it's not easy when that child's trying to kill you every time you try to talk with it.
Besides, the fact that the USA blew up hospitals and civilians and stuff doesn't help.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
"I don't think you know what Liberalism is, so here is a definition for you:
"A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority." " Theres what you said. Liberalism. Supposedly it doesn't work according to you.
Oh man, I have never seen a sack of shit this big. I agree with you when you say " people we vote in that have our best interest in mind. ". What if the people are too stupid to choose the better candidate?
The fact of the matter is in order for Liberalism to work you have to be educated, something this country is beginning to lack. If you don't educate the people, then how can we even expect them to elect who we want? We can't. People (you) need to know who they are electing, and the media needs to be unbiased in it's broadcasts so it's solely upto the people.
As for ann coulter. You believe in a lot of what she does and she's a radical bitch. Maybe you need to read that.
Heres a quote by (JP):
"The same reason you don't say you fucked up, he believes that he is doing the right thing, and I will side with him because he is smarter, and has more resources than you. "
Referring to a Mr. George W. Bush. Hey now, c'mon. It wasn't so hard for Bill Clinton to admit he fucked up. Then again, he did lie first. But thats not anything George W. hasn't done! I think He could gain more support by admiitting it, to tell you the truth. His administration is just hellbent on mainting this image that they are always right, which is ridiculous.
Heres another quote by JP:
"What? By making other countries hate us? Sure, but we win in the long run, after we eliminate terrorism."
Yeah, were gonna eliminate worldwide terrorism by attacking one country and acting diplomatically on a few others. What a sack of shit. Terrorism is everywhere, and in case you haven't noticed we have one in the U.S. . It's called the KKK, they tend to hide this, but since the beginning of america they have been bombing, looting , killing, lynching, and more. The KKK has plotted to blow up powerplants before. Why don't we end this? Perhaps because we have former KKK'ers in the gov't, or perhaps cause we don't feel it's a damn threat.
You can't eliminate terrorism in my opinion. Impossible; At least the way were doing it. Read up, the U.S. has aided Osama Bin Laden in the past. Republican President Ronald Reagan aided Saddam Hussien. What the hell were we thinking? We weren't. We've helped grow terrorism at times in this country. Yet all the sudden it's like everyone is afraid of it. Afraid of what? Getting attacked again? By airplanes this time, or a chemical cloud. Notice: the only way to attack America is from the inside. We are attacking terrorist outside.
Why not take the better road and build more security here, at home. Then reform the CIA and FBI, ect. So we can track down terrorists worldwide. We could've even invaded Iraq, no problem. But with a little more than 5 british troops and a japanese to help us. And without all the contracts going to a select few countries. Thats what Im really pissed off about.
(JP)"Your short sightedness angers me. Saying that republicans haven't raised money for the government? The terms are only 4-years, at most they can have 2 terms. Hardly enough time to reap in benefits from long term investments, which the Democrats have been getting the rewards of. "
Yeah. Your saying all the republicans make all the money in investments that just so happen to bloom under democrats terms. Right...
(JP)"I guess you don’t understand why we are in Iraq "
I guess the Iraqis don't either. Most of them tought it was for oil, or to take over. Personally I think it's Georgys little way of doing what his father never did. I understand why. It was to get the WMD's, free the Iraqi people, and rid the WORLD of terrorism. I don't like the way we didn't plan, I don't like the way we've made so many mistakes and are unwilling to admit any.
(JP) "You seem so hypocritical, Bush didn’t create Al-Queda, you seem to displacing all your anger on Bush. The country is using our president as a scapegoat, and that isn’t right. Just because you don’t understand some of his moves doesn’t make him wrong. You only see 1/3 of the chessboard. "
Read Bob Woodwards book. Hey, maybe I can see the entire chessboard for some of the Presidents moves. How about lending contracts to a select for companies including Halliburton? Did I not see President Bush make his move when he said there was lots of WMD's in Iraq? Did I miss something when the Bush Administration said so wonderfully how quick of a war this would be, and how great everything would be.
Look, if your gonna be the President, you ought to be able to back up shit you say. Your suggesting that President Bush can't say somethings cause there classified, or because it's not in the best interest of the country. What could the President be hiding that would disallow me the board? The fact that there are a shitload of terrorists out there? Maybe it's just where the terrorists are.
What your suggesting is idiotic. Maybe I can't see 10% of the board. Maybe thats the most important part. But what the hell could be hiding there? I don't think much more than what we have already seen. I don't think this little war is anything more than how I see it.
How old are you JP? Are you in the OK range to be on this site? By the way, what is that range? Are you just the right age to voice your opinion? Defenestrator has a right to say what he wants regardless of age.
(JP)-"And when did ego become a bad thing, I hate all these yogi’s, hippies, and new-age Christians telling everybody that ego is bad, ego improves self-esteem. "
The problem with ego is when you have to much, you can't tell. People like you.
(JP)"I agree with you Muz, war is inefficient, and should be eliminated. But, I think we had better clean up the mess we started in Iraq before we start the War on War. "
Damn straight. We have to clean it up. But why should I be expected to say how great it was and everything while we do that? I think it should be cleaned up, but why do I have to be FOR bush, or FOR the war that the U.S. is primarily waging? Change the war a little. I can't stress this enough. Internation...INternational...Internation, More Diverse contracts, More control to the IRaqis. Thats it.
(Giglamesh...something or other)
"JP like totally ownes you right now DEC"
-Gayness- No one Owns anyone. Whoever came up with that "owned" thing is gay. I hate them.
JP I don't think what you and I think is so much different. Except the fact that I'm for Democrats, your for Republicans and it's probably always going to be that way. We both want the war in Iraq, just in different ways. We both don't kinda like Bush, but im not sure what you mean.
(JP) "I found myself deleting slanderous comments about him, although I think a few slipped in the final draft."
I suck with words, unless im writing a paper, or have it well thought out. I don't have the time here. A lot of the things Im trying to say are based on evidence, which I can't remember the details of. Im not doing a final draft on any of this. As a matter of fact, I don't even give a damn. I could go all out and spend hours typing in this forum, but truthfully it's a waste of time. And it's a waste of yours.
If you don't care what a 16 year old thinks, then why are you responding?
Nah, Im done with this post. It's to confusing. Too many topics covered, and not enough time. Im gonna go focus on 1 thing like how pissed off I am about there being Former KKK klansmen in our Gov't.
Muz : "Terrorism is a form of war. As with all wars, it's about forcing people to do what you want. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe in the opinion. And as evolution goes, the people will get bored of resisting and just give in."
You know what? Yes!
DEC: "How old are you JP? Are you in the OK range to be on this site? By the way, what is that range? Are you just the right age to voice your opinion? Defenestrator has a right to say what he wants regardless of age. "
I'd say hes in the range, considering there is no range on this site, and seeing as how this is supposed to be considered a family site. So swearing your little head off isn't really helping your views, seeing as though it is against the site rules, and how it makes you look even more like a sniveling litte teenager.
DEC: "The problem with ego is when you have to much, you can't tell. People like you."
Judging by how your speaking, seeing as how your doing it to JP, It sounds like you have more of an ego.
DEC: "-Gayness- No one Owns anyone. Whoever came up with that "owned" thing is gay. I hate them. "
Don't get mad because he ownes you! It really doesn't help calling it gay either, and the founder gay as well. In fact, now I'm forced to believe you are way younger than 16, because calling everything gay is something I'd expect from a 6th grader.
DEC again: "I suck with words, unless im writing a paper, or have it well thought out. I don't have the time here. A lot of the things Im trying to say are based on evidence, which I can't remember the details of. Im not doing a final draft on any of this. As a matter of fact, I don't even give a damn. I could go all out and spend hours typing in this forum, but truthfully it's a waste of time. And it's a waste of yours."
My ol' history teacher has many proverbs that he likes to use. One in particular I'd like to recite for you...
Ahem, "DEC, first you must think before you say something."
It continues
"And then, don't say it"
You see, usually when you try to convince someone that you are correct, you must know what your talking about. If you say, "Oh I know something, your opinions are all wrong" Then they're just sort of going to laugh at you. Kind of like now. And if you don't have the time to be typing up speaches, then why are you trying to convince us that we are wrong in the first place. I'll I've been hearing from you is "Your wrong because of somthing, And I said so too" But you need to be like "Your wrong because of this fact, this and this."
And if your in such a rush to go nowhere, why are you here?
DEC: "If you don't care what a 16 year old thinks, then why are you responding?"
Because we older people have to teach you youngins a lesson.
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